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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 6, 2017 11:02:51 GMT -8
I think the good thing about Tedford is I doubt OSU is a stepping stone job for him, he'd probably stick around for a bit.
I also think he'd feel real comfortable and not at a disadvantage recruiting against the other Type A coaches in the Pac 12. He's obviously established on the west coast. Plus, he could just have Aaron Rodgers give recruits a call and SOLD.
I'd look forward to the QBs he'd bring in.
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Post by beavered on Nov 6, 2017 11:06:20 GMT -8
I was never a "Tedford fan," but he's taken a team that was 1-11 last year, and has turned them into a bowl eligible team. Cal isn't the easiest of teams to recruit to (standards, and all), but nearly every year he was at the helm, they were in the conference conversation. I have NO IDEA if he would entertain coming to Corvallis after the CGA debacle, and I know he isn't a spring chicken, but.....the more I see, the more I SEE. Just my take. I don't get the Tedford hate. I think he's the best of the realistic candidates. Especially on paper. The guy has now turned around 2 dumpster fire D1 programs in his first year. As for the end of his tenure at Cal - read through the summary of his time there. If he were to come here and replicate what he did at Cal wouldn't we be OK with that? He took over a total dumpster fire and did not fail to win more than 7 games until 8 years into his tenure. Say he could *roughly* duplicate that here. Then after struggling through a couple losing seasons, fans are sitting around in the late 2020s discussing the team. Even if his time had come and gone, would anyone say, "goddamn, we shouldn't have hired Tedford back in '17." 8 straight bowl games and a .657 winning pct over 8 years would both exceed anything we've seen here in the modern era. Edit: Just thought of a couple things I wanted to mention right after hitting post: One person who should be very much in the Tedford camp is Jake Luton. He looks very much like a Tedford type QB to me. I could see him having success with an experienced and respected QB coach like Tedford. One final thing - I think I mentioned this in another post previously, but does anyone know if Coaches Hall and Tedford have any sort of relationship? When reading their bios I believe Hall's time as a player and Tedford's time as OC overlapped a couple years. I know he was on the other side of the ball but you never know.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 6, 2017 11:06:58 GMT -8
I was never a "Tedford fan," but he's taken a team that was 1-11 last year, and has turned them into a bowl eligible team. Cal isn't the easiest of teams to recruit to (standards, and all), but nearly every year he was at the helm, they were in the conference conversation. I have NO IDEA if he would entertain coming to Corvallis after the CGA debacle, and I know he isn't a spring chicken, but.....the more I see, the more I SEE. Just my take. I don't get the Tedford hate. He is lifetime 88-60 as a college head coach, a hair under 60% winning percentage. 5-3 in bowl games. He averaged 8 wins a year at Cal. Cal isn't exactly a dynasty program ya know? Kind of like us. He is 56, that isn't old. He has a bare minimum of 10 quality years in him. you don't have one foot in the grave at 65 these days anymore. Jeez, did anybody see Pete Carroll sprinting down the sideline for a time out yesterday? He is 66. Dick LeBeau? still calling defenses at 80. and not too shabby of ones. He has put 8 quarterbacks in the NFL. He has had multiple first round pick Quarterbacks. If we need to solve an IMMEDIATE need on this team, it is at Quarterback. I know our defense is terrible, but I think most of what we need there is to not have a total moron running the show. there is some talent their, the coaching and fundamentals are just putrid. Of all the quality, proven head coaches out there that we have a realistic shot at getting. Tedford is easily at the top of the list. He is a good person, the closest thing to a question mark he has on him is some heart trouble a few years ago, which in itself wasn't a super huge deal. There is no baggage there, which isn't anything you can say about the Weasel or McElwain. Of any experienced quality coach we have a shot at getting, Tedford is probably hands down the best and safest pick. I'd pick him well over Baldwin. I was super anti-Tedford but I'm really starting to warm up to the idea. 60% winning percentage is pretty damn good. He's not Midas with every single QB that he's ever had, but he's actually pretty damn good overall at developing QB's and I feel like he's a guy who can adjust scheme to cover for weaknesses on the offensive side of the ball. Needs to be paired with a good DC, but I think this could work out to be a guy who could win as much as Riley did. And, I would bet he and Coach Riley are friendly enough for him to invite and enjoy Riley to hang around the program. I know none of us are ready to sign on for Coach Riley coming back to Corvallis as a head coach but his football knowledge is very high level and he could be an asset as an ambassador to the program and such.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 6, 2017 11:13:23 GMT -8
Since when was Tedford "friendly enough" with Riley? Maybe I missed something other than the refusal to shake Riley's hand post game.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 6, 2017 11:26:00 GMT -8
Since when was Tedford "friendly enough" with Riley? Maybe I missed something other than the refusal to shake Riley's hand post game. I will chalk that up to post game emotions. I can't imagine a college HC stroking a long term hard-on for MR.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by justdamwin on Nov 6, 2017 13:12:04 GMT -8
None of us know what will happen with the next coach and how they will do here, no matter who it is. Easy schedule or not, he has done it twice now! He has taken a team that previously won one game the year before and the next year (his first) put them in a bowl game. Anybody can skew anything to fit their point, but winning speaks for itself and Tedford is a proven winner! If you have watched their games, fundamentally, they are very good on both sides of the ball. Defensively, they are very well coached, fly around and execute well. Offensively, of course, they are putting up points and moving the ball consistently. McMaryion is getting the best coaching he has ever received at the QB position because Tedford is an elite QB coach and offensive mind. Here is what you will get with Tedford; Good/great QB play, an offense that will put points on the board and move the ball against multiple defenses, a familiarity with the PAC 12 teams, good recruiting (especially in California) and from what I have seen lately, a solid defense. I think Tedford, as all coaches do, has grown a little bit more to respect and make sure that the defensive side of the ball receives as much attention as the offensive side of the ball. When he was at Oregon as the OC under Belotti, they did not give the defense the same attention as the offense (especially in recruiting). When at Cal, he did this at times too. Let me ask, why are Norvell and Baldwin's ceilings higher or have more "upside" in your mind? Because they are younger? I'll be honest, if a guy like Bill Parcells (unrealistic example but helps prove my point) was available and wanted to coach here, I would take him over probably any coaches (let alone younger ones). Why? Well his record and pedigree speak for themselves but he would also bring in top notch assistants with experience and probably some other younger coaches to groom that could take over when he would possibly depart. In that case, there are no guarantees of how long any coach stays, young or older. This is establishing a program. So when it comes to having someone come in here and build up the program, I want someone who can do it sooner than later. I think Baldwin would struggle for a bit with recruiting a well rounded team (players in all phases) here for a few years. He might get some offensive skill talent but I doubt he'd be able to get any quality "trench" players (LOS) and defensive talent needed for PAC 12 competition for a few years at least! Part of that recruiting deficiency (IMO) would also be due to the fact that I'm not sure he could get the assistant coaches that have experience to surround him. I could be wrong but I just can't see him bringing in many if any, PAC 12 experienced coaches that would work under him (considering his lack of experience in the conference as a coach, let alone an HC). Again, I could be wrong but no more right or wrong than anyone else with their opinions, those are just my concerns with Baldwin. He obviously is a good offensive mind and has had success at FCS level as a HC. Norvell was another coach I have mentioned. I have watched Memphis a few times this season and he is pretty impressive. They do play against inferior talent, but again, the guy is winning games and they do play a good brand of football from what I have seen. He knows the PAC 12 but he does have some limited experience. Not only as an HC but even as a coordinator. Again, wouldn't dislike him being here but his inexperience might be a concern with gathering a strong group of experienced/good assistant coaches and coordinators. Also, recruiting. Would he be a well rounded recruiter? Or would he be an all in "offensive guy"? He has spent most f his coaching career on the offensive side of the ball. For the most part, no matter who is hired, I will support them as I did with GA for the first couple of seasons but then there needs to be results. I wont support Rick New-weasel or any Wing/Triple option offenses though! Another bit of food for thought about hiring a "young energetic" coach vs an experienced HC that is a proven winner. Imagine if when Riley left the first time, if DE was looked over because of age or not what have you , for some younger guy? It's impossible to know, but I don't think Oregon State reaches the heights they did in Erickson's stretch (that's my opinion). He brought in; knowledge, he was a proven winner but he also brought in great assistant coaches! Go Beavs! Hire a couple Polynesian assistant coaches, recruit the island and the line problem is solved Hire Nigel Burton as DB coach. One of the best recruiters ever at OS.
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 6, 2017 13:43:57 GMT -8
Now THAT would be interesting... 1111, just speculating, or did you hear some info? I have to admit, I have been a fan of JW for a while. I don’t care about where he played; he just has something about him. I’m impressed with the way that he got Cal turned in the right direction so quickly, and as a native Oregonian and a good motivator I feel like he would have a realistic perspective on how to get things right in Corvallis. I wouldn’t hate that most unlikely surprise. One downside of Wilcox at OSU...there would always be the the job in Eugene orbiting him.
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 6, 2017 14:10:37 GMT -8
When will teams learn that they can't keep shuffling around the same retreads expecting different results?
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Post by hawksea on Nov 6, 2017 14:17:54 GMT -8
When will teams learn that they can't keep shuffling around the same retreads expecting different results? I personally would love to have the same results that Cal had with Tedford. Finishing in the top 10 in a season with multiple 10 win seasons? I would take that in a heartbeat. Every team has a bad season every once in a while, and having only 2 out of 12 total seasons as a HC is pretty impressive. There are some retreads that need to be avoided like the weasel, or someone like Jeff Fisher in the NFL, but Tedford is a retread that has only had success at what was another crappy program.
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 6, 2017 14:39:24 GMT -8
Tedford now = what we had in Riley before he left.
A middle of the road hire. A safe bet. A known entity.
Yes, it's likely to be way better than the Gary Andersen debacle.
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 6, 2017 14:40:21 GMT -8
When will teams learn that they can't keep shuffling around the same retreads expecting different results? I personally would love to have the same results that Cal had with Tedford. Finishing in the top 10 in a season with multiple 10 win seasons? I would take that in a heartbeat. Every team has a bad season every once in a while, and having only 2 out of 12 total seasons as a HC is pretty impressive. There are some retreads that need to be avoided like the weasel, or someone like Jeff Fisher in the NFL, but Tedford is a retread that has only had success at what was another crappy program. Their last 10 win season was 12 years ago. In his last 6 years they had a non losing conference record twice, and were overall 39-36. Riley was 37-38 his last 6 years at OS. What are we gaining here? Another old guy who used to be successful who won't resonate with young people or bring anything new to the table.
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 6, 2017 14:43:33 GMT -8
Tedford now = what we had in Riley before he left. A middle of the road hire. A safe bet. A known entity. Yes, it's likely to be way better than the Gary Andersen debacle. I refuse to accept that better than garbage is what we should be aiming for. Just shut the whole thing down if .500 football is our goal. Tedford is a bunt. At least go down swinging.
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Post by hawksea on Nov 6, 2017 14:49:05 GMT -8
I personally would love to have the same results that Cal had with Tedford. Finishing in the top 10 in a season with multiple 10 win seasons? I would take that in a heartbeat. Every team has a bad season every once in a while, and having only 2 out of 12 total seasons as a HC is pretty impressive. There are some retreads that need to be avoided like the weasel, or someone like Jeff Fisher in the NFL, but Tedford is a retread that has only had success at what was another crappy program. Their last 10 win season was 12 years ago. In his last 6 years they had a non losing conference record twice, and were overall 39-36. Riley was 37-38 his last 6 years at OS. What are we gaining here? Another old guy who used to be successful who won't resonate with young people or bring anything new to the table. I personally wouldn't consider someone in their mid 50's to be old. I would love to go back to having a pro-style offense also. He seems to be resonating with players at FSU well enough, and Pete Carroll up in Seattle seems to resonate with his players really well in his 60's. During his time between Cal and FSU, he worked with different programs picking up things from different coaches to improve himself and evolve his approach. He certainly isn't perfect, but he is a lot better than a lot of the other retreads, and he would stabilize our program and bring in a high quality QB and NFL level talent (he brought in Aaron Rodgers, Lynch, Goff, and others at Cal). For you and others who don't want an old coach, how old do you want your coach to be? In their 20's? 30's? Early 40's at the oldest? I personally wouldn't want someone in their 60's, but I think 50's would be fine.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 6, 2017 14:53:55 GMT -8
Tedford now = what we had in Riley before he left. A middle of the road hire. A safe bet. A known entity. Yes, it's likely to be way better than the Gary Andersen debacle. I refuse to accept that better than garbage is what we should be aiming for. Just shut the whole thing down if .500 football is our goal. Maybe I missed it someplace earlier, but who do you have in mind to elevate us to that level (7 or 8 wins+ each year). I think that several “retreads” mentioned here can do it. Sometimes young and sexy turns out to be a lot of window dressing with no substance. Sark could recruit the heck out of it in Seattle and LA (anyone could at USC), but he was at best mediocre in his results. Not flaming...I really am curious who you’d like to see become our next head coach and why.
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 6, 2017 14:59:20 GMT -8
Their last 10 win season was 12 years ago. In his last 6 years they had a non losing conference record twice, and were overall 39-36. Riley was 37-38 his last 6 years at OS. What are we gaining here? Another old guy who used to be successful who won't resonate with young people or bring anything new to the table. I personally wouldn't consider someone in their mid 50's to be old. I would love to go back to having a pro-style offense also. He seems to be resonating with players at FSU well enough, and Pete Carroll up in Seattle seems to resonate with his players really well in his 60's. During his time between Cal and FSU, he worked with different programs picking up things from different coaches to improve himself and evolve his approach. He certainly isn't perfect, but he is a lot better than a lot of the other retreads, and he would stabilize our program and bring in a high quality QB and NFL level talent (he brought in Aaron Rodgers, Lynch, Goff, and others at Cal). For you and others who don't want an old coach, how old do you want your coach to be? In their 20's? 30's? Early 40's at the oldest? I personally wouldn't want someone in their 60's, but I think 50's would be fine. He'd be the 2nd oldest coach in the conference. We can quibble about whether or not that means anything, but I don't think it's a positive. We need a jump start, not a tow.
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