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Post by nforkbeav on Nov 7, 2017 18:03:34 GMT -8
A few comments from previous posts I don't know that OK State when Miles was there was all that different than Cal in terms of where they were on the totem pole of college football at the time. Perhaps Tedford had the opportunity to jump ship like Miles did, I don't recall. Probably regrets not doing it if he did! Can't see Leach going to Nebraska. There is nothing about that move that fits for either party. I personally don't think Miles wants to coach in the SEC any more. I've heard his comments broadcasting, I actually got the impression he wanted to coach in the Big 10, and would listen to lower tier job openings. I also think Miles is completely defensive oriented. He had Gundy at OK state, Jimbo Fischer initially at LSU, then guys like Cameron, Crowton. Basically guys he could hand the offense off too. OK, hire Miles and now go get Beau Baldwin! Why would he come out west? First off, west coast is best coast. And specifically, look around the Pac 12. It's a place you can turn a program around rather quickly. He could build a Stanford type team at OS in a few years, it's not top heavy with programs. Expectations aren't nearly as high to win a NC every year like in the SEC. In fact, watch, if Harbaugh doesn't win the Big 10 in the next two years, they are going to run him off too. I bet there's a lot of coaches that have been around the bloc and are looking at what Leach has done/is doing at WSU thinking, hell yeah, that looks like fun. From Miles perspective, he's been to the top, he's dealt with that pressure. And maybe he wants that again or enjoys it. Or maybe he thinks hey I could go to OSU and win 9 or 10 games, maybe compete for a Pac 12 championship, maybe pull a Dennis Erickson Donkey out my ass, but worst case scenario, get them over the hump and I'm a hero, with none of the bulls%#t you'd have to deal with at a top 10 program. Exactamundo! OSU is a GREAT job. Lack of booster tampering found at most blue blood programs. Lack of constant media spotlight. No 24/7 local radio and tv shows following and second guessing your every decision. This is a coaching paradise. A great location, a bunch of great kids, and you can become a hero with winning seasons. Win 10 or more games and become a legend. All things considered it's one of the best jobs out there. We don't have tens of thousands of fans following and stalking every recruit on social media.....this is one of the last P5 jobs where college football is still college football and not pro football. Beaver fans actually have lives that don't revolve around Beaver football every second of the day. It's a great gig. A younger less experienced coach may not understand that, but a seasoned veteran who's been around the block would absolutely understand and appreciate the benefits of coming here. This is college football heaven for a wise and seasoned coach.
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Post by rockybeav on Nov 7, 2017 20:51:57 GMT -8
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Post by usmc1958 on Nov 7, 2017 21:40:04 GMT -8
One additional reason I think the hiring of Les miles would be the right move is I think he has the clout to say: Okay, I'll do it, but first, when will you start the completion of your half done Stadium and when will it be complete. And, if I retire at age 70 and my wining percentage is at least 75%, a small area of some kind will be named after Les Miles. Terrace end zone, seating section, locker room or ??
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Post by badwack on Nov 8, 2017 4:32:02 GMT -8
Miles wants to chase a National Championship from Corvallis? Really?
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 8, 2017 5:44:41 GMT -8
One additional reason I think the hiring of Les miles would be the right move is I think he has the clout to say: Okay, I'll do it, but first, when will you start the completion of your half done Stadium and when will it be complete. And, if I retire at age 70 and my wining percentage is at least 75%, a small area of some kind will be named after Les Miles. Terrace end zone, seating section, locker room or ?? If OSU hires Miles, I wouldn't be surprised to hear construction starts in 3 years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 6:28:00 GMT -8
Another long-in-the-tooth retread. No thanks. There's a reason LSU canned him. If all he needs to do to win at OSU is to get an OC from his vast list of contacts, why didn't he do that at LSU so he'd still be coaching there? Even with great RBs, LSU's offenses were terrible. There were plenty of jobs open this last offseason. Why wasn't he hired? You are correct. This would be an unqualified disaster. He won't win at OS in the short term because he doesn't have the players and he won't win at OS in the long term because he won't last through the losing to make it that far. He is 63 and far removed from his juice days. Comparisons to DE are far fetched. DE came in to OS when there was a solid base of Pettibone linemen, Rocky Long defensive players and Riley skill players. DE was fresh off an NFL HC gig and brought some swag and go-for-it offensive mentality to push an up an coming program to the top. Miles would have to invent his own momentum in a part of the country he has probably never been in and long after the point at which your average 17 year old has heard of him nationally. Les Miles is only impressive if you are a desperate old dude. And not even to all of us:-)
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Nov 8, 2017 7:55:10 GMT -8
He was 9-3 in 2015 and has been out of coaching 1 year. You act like he coached in the 60's. There is not a single 17 year old that plays football at a high level that doesn't know who Les Miles is.
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Post by rockybeav on Nov 8, 2017 8:19:39 GMT -8
Another long-in-the-tooth retread. No thanks. There's a reason LSU canned him. If all he needs to do to win at OSU is to get an OC from his vast list of contacts, why didn't he do that at LSU so he'd still be coaching there? Even with great RBs, LSU's offenses were terrible. There were plenty of jobs open this last offseason. Why wasn't he hired? You are correct. This would be an unqualified disaster. He won't win at OS in the short term because he doesn't have the players and he won't win at OS in the long term because he won't last through the losing to make it that far. He is 63 and far removed from his juice days. Comparisons to DE are far fetched. DE came in to OS when there was a solid base of Pettibone linemen, Rocky Long defensive players and Riley skill players. DE was fresh off an NFL HC gig and brought some swag and go-for-it offensive mentality to push an up an coming program to the top. Miles would have to invent his own momentum in a part of the country he has probably never been in and long after the point at which your average 17 year old has heard of him nationally. Les Miles is only impressive if you are a desperate old dude. And not even to all of us:-) Saban is 66 years old. If in some alternative universe, he were to become interested in OSU, you would count him out on his age and lack of West Coast connections? Who needs West Coast connections when you can call ANY high school football coach in the country, identify yourself, and have that coach know who you are? If Les feels that’s a concern, he hires a couple assistants with Cali backgrounds - problem solved. He has been on tv the last year, kids know the coach who has put Fournette, Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry, Patrick Peterson, and the honey badger in the NFL. Sure his offense towards the latter years at LSU were a concern. He’s acknowledged this and has taken accountability. He would give a lot of autonomy to his OC, and it would be a huge resume builder for most assistants to claim they worked for Les. In a recent interview, he’s mentioned the desire for a Deshaun Watson type QB. Primary thrower, but enough wheels to burn a defense on a play. IMO, he wasn’t hired at Houston because they wanted a young up and comer and hired Applewhite. To be fair, Kiffin was also denied that job and he’s a good O coach who is young. Boosters made that decision. If OSU wants to gamble on a young up and comer, I’m okay with that over most people with previous HC experience (like Tedford). EXCEPT when the other option gives you instant national credibility like Les. Taggart and the rest of the P12 would feel a bit anxious with Miles at the helm. The dude is a fun personality to boot, and would be a boon for fundraising.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 8, 2017 8:36:16 GMT -8
Another long-in-the-tooth retread. No thanks. There's a reason LSU canned him. If all he needs to do to win at OSU is to get an OC from his vast list of contacts, why didn't he do that at LSU so he'd still be coaching there? Even with great RBs, LSU's offenses were terrible. There were plenty of jobs open this last offseason. Why wasn't he hired? You are correct. This would be an unqualified disaster. He won't win at OS in the short term because he doesn't have the players and he won't win at OS in the long term because he won't last through the losing to make it that far. He is 63 and far removed from his juice days. Comparisons to DE are far fetched. DE came in to OS when there was a solid base of Pettibone linemen, Rocky Long defensive players and Riley skill players. DE was fresh off an NFL HC gig and brought some swag and go-for-it offensive mentality to push an up an coming program to the top. Miles would have to invent his own momentum in a part of the country he has probably never been in and long after the point at which your average 17 year old has heard of him nationally. Les Miles is only impressive if you are a desperate old dude. And not even to all of us:-) Look I know that we all give Pettibone and Riley some credit for laying the bedrock foundation with a number of key players. Rocky Long's last year as DC at Oregon State was 95 so there's no overlap with Erickson's first season in 99 though. What Dennis had that got everybody's attention was that he came in flashing those NC rings and said "I didn't come here just to compete. I came here to win." The team believed him, the Juco recruits believed him. That's the juice he brought. It's certainly not guaranteed that it will play out well. Hell even St. Dennis couldn't do it twice, he came fresh off an NFL HC gig and brought that same go-for-it offensive mentality to take a sleeping giant and make them into a national powerhouse... and it didn't work at ASU. There are no guarantees, obviously. But I will tell you that from a player's point of view, the one that will get instant cred is the coach who has a national championship at LSU under his belt, not the one who has a national championship at EWU under his belt. But these days, I don't think it's about the HC alone as much as it once was. I think it's more about the HC plus the staff he is able to assemble. I like Les Miles' chances of putting together a solid staff over Baldwin. Wilcox on the other hand... he is young and has contacts. I wouldn't be sad at all with him taking over the HC gig.. he's still second to Miles on my list.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 8, 2017 8:46:12 GMT -8
You are correct. This would be an unqualified disaster. He won't win at OS in the short term because he doesn't have the players and he won't win at OS in the long term because he won't last through the losing to make it that far. He is 63 and far removed from his juice days. Comparisons to DE are far fetched. DE came in to OS when there was a solid base of Pettibone linemen, Rocky Long defensive players and Riley skill players. DE was fresh off an NFL HC gig and brought some swag and go-for-it offensive mentality to push an up an coming program to the top. Miles would have to invent his own momentum in a part of the country he has probably never been in and long after the point at which your average 17 year old has heard of him nationally. Les Miles is only impressive if you are a desperate old dude. And not even to all of us:-) Look I know that we all give Pettibone and Riley some credit for laying the bedrock foundation with a number of key players. Rocky Long's last year as DC at Oregon State was 95 so there's no overlap with Erickson's first season in 99 though. What Dennis had that got everybody's attention was that he came in flashing those NC rings and said "I didn't come here just to compete. I came here to win." The team believed him, the Juco recruits believed him. That's the juice he brought. It's certainly not guaranteed that it will play out well. Hell even St. Dennis couldn't do it twice, he came fresh off an NFL HC gig and brought that same go-for-it offensive mentality to take a sleeping giant and make them into a national powerhouse... and it didn't work at ASU. There are no guarantees, obviously. But I will tell you that from a player's point of view, the one that will get instant cred is the coach who has a national championship at LSU under his belt, not the one who has a national championship at EWU under his belt. But these days, I don't think it's about the HC alone as much as it once was. I think it's more about the HC plus the staff he is able to assemble. I like Les Miles' chances of putting together a solid staff over Baldwin. Wilcox on the other hand... he is young and has contacts. I wouldn't be sad at all with him taking over the HC gig.. he's still second to Miles on my list. It is petty, but i hate Wilcox, he is responsible for head hunting behavior on defense that hurt star players for Oregon State. He targeted Quizz and James Rodgers while DC at Boise State, a particularly egregious hear hole shot on James knocked him out of the game. A egregious spearing knocked Wheaton out of the game against Washington, turning the tide in 2012... and who could forget the USKNEE game, with again, Wilcox at the helm of a defense. Wilcox is a s%#tlord and he should die in a fire. I don't want none of what he brings to the table. just my opinion.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Nov 8, 2017 8:47:10 GMT -8
You are correct. This would be an unqualified disaster. He won't win at OS in the short term because he doesn't have the players and he won't win at OS in the long term because he won't last through the losing to make it that far. He is 63 and far removed from his juice days. Comparisons to DE are far fetched. DE came in to OS when there was a solid base of Pettibone linemen, Rocky Long defensive players and Riley skill players. DE was fresh off an NFL HC gig and brought some swag and go-for-it offensive mentality to push an up an coming program to the top. Miles would have to invent his own momentum in a part of the country he has probably never been in and long after the point at which your average 17 year old has heard of him nationally. Les Miles is only impressive if you are a desperate old dude. And not even to all of us:-) Look I know that we all give Pettibone and Riley some credit for laying the bedrock foundation with a number of key players. Rocky Long's last year as DC at Oregon State was 95 so there's no overlap with Erickson's first season in 99 though. What Dennis had that got everybody's attention was that he came in flashing those NC rings and said "I didn't come here just to compete. I came here to win." The team believed him, the Juco recruits believed him. That's the juice he brought. It's certainly not guaranteed that it will play out well. Hell even St. Dennis couldn't do it twice, he came fresh off an NFL HC gig and brought that same go-for-it offensive mentality to take a sleeping giant and make them into a national powerhouse... and it didn't work at ASU. There are no guarantees, obviously. But I will tell you that from a player's point of view, the one that will get instant cred is the coach who has a national championship at LSU under his belt, not the one who has a national championship at EWU under his belt. But these days, I don't think it's about the HC alone as much as it once was. I think it's more about the HC plus the staff he is able to assemble. I like Les Miles' chances of putting together a solid staff over Baldwin. Wilcox on the other hand... he is young and has contacts. I wouldn't be sad at all with him taking over the HC gig.. he's still second to Miles on my list. "I like Les Miles' chances of putting together a solid staff over Baldwin."-OA I think this is the truth and the key to the next hire (my opinion). The best head coaches, always surround themselves with a great staff! Although I don't think Miles will be the next head coach for many reasons, if he were to be, this is the key to what would make him successful! Go Beavs!
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 8, 2017 8:51:09 GMT -8
A few comments from previous posts I don't know that OK State when Miles was there was all that different than Cal in terms of where they were on the totem pole of college football at the time. Perhaps Tedford had the opportunity to jump ship like Miles did, I don't recall. Probably regrets not doing it if he did! Can't see Leach going to Nebraska. There is nothing about that move that fits for either party. I personally don't think Miles wants to coach in the SEC any more. I've heard his comments broadcasting, I actually got the impression he wanted to coach in the Big 10, and would listen to lower tier job openings. I also think Miles is completely defensive oriented. He had Gundy at OK state, Jimbo Fischer initially at LSU, then guys like Cameron, Crowton. Basically guys he could hand the offense off too. OK, hire Miles and now go get Beau Baldwin! Why would he come out west? First off, west coast is best coast. And specifically, look around the Pac 12. It's a place you can turn a program around rather quickly. He could build a Stanford type team at OS in a few years, it's not top heavy with programs. Expectations aren't nearly as high to win a NC every year like in the SEC. In fact, watch, if Harbaugh doesn't win the Big 10 in the next two years, they are going to run him off too. I bet there's a lot of coaches that have been around the bloc and are looking at what Leach has done/is doing at WSU thinking, hell yeah, that looks like fun. From Miles perspective, he's been to the top, he's dealt with that pressure. And maybe he wants that again or enjoys it. Or maybe he thinks hey I could go to OSU and win 9 or 10 games, maybe compete for a Pac 12 championship, maybe pull a Dennis Erickson Donkey out my ass, but worst case scenario, get them over the hump and I'm a hero, with none of the bulls%#t you'd have to deal with at a top 10 program. Exactamundo! OSU is a GREAT job. Lack of booster tampering found at most blue blood programs. Lack of constant media spotlight. No 24/7 local radio and tv shows following and second guessing your every decision. This is a coaching paradise. A great location, a bunch of great kids, and you can become a hero with winning seasons. Win 10 or more games and become a legend. All things considered it's one of the best jobs out there. We don't have tens of thousands of fans following and stalking every recruit on social media.....this is one of the last P5 jobs where college football is still college football and not pro football. Beaver fans actually have lives that don't revolve around Beaver football every second of the day. It's a great gig. A younger less experienced coach may not understand that, but a seasoned veteran who's been around the block would absolutely understand and appreciate the benefits of coming here. This is college football heaven for a wise and seasoned coach. I think you're overstating a bit of how much the lack of a spotlight makes the job desirable. The reason most from the outside see the job as undesirable is the fact of where OSU sits within the pecking order of the conference, and how those hurdles make it more difficult to win. Lack of intense media scrutiny is mostly because the media doesn't expect much from a team at or near the bottom of every tangible support measure for a football program. When you have the or one of the smallest budgets, stadiums, fan-bases, student enrollments, etc in the conference, where should you expect to finish in the standings most seasons? We all know what happens if you take a team with those limitations on a 15-year run of success: The fan base starts grumbling about how you didn't do more, calls you a mediocre coach, and expects the next guy to out-do you. Is less media scrutiny worth the other road-blocks to success that are present at OSU? That said, you bet I think it'd be great if Miles and OSU get together. He's just the type of guy who could probably make a difference.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 8, 2017 8:54:48 GMT -8
There is not a single 17 year old that plays football at a high level that doesn't know who Les Miles is.
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"He's that goofy old fart who got fired at LSU because his quarterbacks always sucked."
Saban is 66 years old. If in some alternative universe, he were to become interested in OSU, you would count him out on his age and lack of West Coast connections?
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Les Miles isn't in the same zip code, much less area code, as Saban when it comes to coaching prowess.
No thanks. Others may disagree.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 8, 2017 8:58:07 GMT -8
Another long-in-the-tooth retread. No thanks. There's a reason LSU canned him. If all he needs to do to win at OSU is to get an OC from his vast list of contacts, why didn't he do that at LSU so he'd still be coaching there? Even with great RBs, LSU's offenses were terrible. There were plenty of jobs open this last offseason. Why wasn't he hired? You are correct. This would be an unqualified disaster. He won't win at OS in the short term because he doesn't have the players and he won't win at OS in the long term because he won't last through the losing to make it that far. He is 63 and far removed from his juice days. Comparisons to DE are far fetched. DE came in to OS when there was a solid base of Pettibone linemen, Rocky Long defensive players and Riley skill players. DE was fresh off an NFL HC gig and brought some swag and go-for-it offensive mentality to push an up an coming program to the top. Miles would have to invent his own momentum in a part of the country he has probably never been in and long after the point at which your average 17 year old has heard of him nationally. Les Miles is only impressive if you are a desperate old dude. And not even to all of us:-) Yeah, just ask Kansas State fans. They were so relieved when that old bastard Bill Snyder left so they could hire a hot 36 year old up and comer in Ron Prince. Except he ruined a program that Snyder built from dirt. And of course then the school hired the longer in the tooth Snyder to come back and right the ship, or combine as it might be in Manhattan, which he did. After that, ask Arizona fan how great it was when they finally got rid of that ancient Dick Tomey! He was out of "juice". Thank goodness they hired John Mackovic...
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 8, 2017 9:24:06 GMT -8
There is not a single 17 year old that plays football at a high level that doesn't know who Les Miles is. =============================================== "He's that goofy old fart who got fired at LSU because his quarterbacks always sucked." Saban is 66 years old. If in some alternative universe, he were to become interested in OSU, you would count him out on his age and lack of West Coast connections? ========================= Les Miles isn't in the same zip code, much less area code, as Saban when it comes to coaching prowess. No thanks. Others may disagree. And the other candidates mentioned here aren't in the same zip, let alone area or hell... same coaching universe, as Miles!
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