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Nov 29, 2017 12:27:37 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 29, 2017 12:27:37 GMT -8
Huh.....
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 29, 2017 12:27:44 GMT -8
Don't love the hire, but hopefully he can get everyone rowing in the right direction. He likely does but the program time and if boosters are behind it then that isn't a bad thing. As far as DE, I'm not sure if I was Smith whether I'd want a guy who recently was pitching himself as HC and me as OC to have too prominent a role. Maybe some type of advisory role, but I wouldn't want him as my OC.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2017 12:31:34 GMT -8
I am okay with this. Beau Baldwin or Niner is a dice roll. Niner at least has more D-1 and pac-12 experience. Niner has as much OC experience as Tom Herman had when Houston hired him. Niner coached for Erickson, Riley and Petersen. Some brilliant minds. All of this is made or broken on his coordinator hires and assistants. Smith coached at Idaho, Montana and BSU before UW. Is that a heck of a lot different/better than Baldwin? /shrug Baldwin has years more experience as an actual professional coach. I don't know where you get the Tom Herman numbers, he was an OC for TEN years before Houston. D-1 experience, sorry I was unclear. Iowa State, Ohio State. two years at Iowa State, two years at Ohio State. Niner finished his 4th season this year at UW. He had another year at Montana. He has 8 more years of being a QB coach. and being a QB coach is key for us right now. He has done a pretty dang good job of it.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2017 12:33:28 GMT -8
Don't love the hire, but hopefully he can get everyone rowing in the right direction. He likely does but the program time and if boosters are behind it then that isn't a bad thing. As far as DE, I'm not sure if I was Smith whether I'd want a guy who recently was pitching himself as HC and me as OC to have too prominent a role. Maybe some type of advisory role, but I wouldn't want him as my OC. I would imagine Jonathan Smith is a popular name with our current crop of boosters. I would go as far as to imagine that was the ultimate decision maker. A name the people that give money want to get behind and support. It is the kind of thing the Warm Fuzzies of your Fiesta Bowl winning QB and author of our first come back story does for you.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 29, 2017 12:34:50 GMT -8
Or the guy who has never been even a full time/no one looking over his shoulder OC until this year? The guy who has NEVER run an entire program? A guy who's NEVER been in charge of even a key recruiting area (see UW site... he's never been a "closer" on any recruit)?
We made UW better... they will grab up a better OC than JS is a HC... and that is more of a sure thing than this hire made OSU better.
Unless JS was hired in the $1 mil range and can bring along VERY good recruiting OC and DC (in the $500-700k range) this is a terrible move. A move backward. It may placate those with a nostalgia for the "good old days", but in the truest sense of hiring, not one major program would give JS an interview for a HC job... maybe not an OC job after the stint at UW was pretty average when he was the lone OC???
BUT... again this is all tempered by the fact... maybe no one better was truly interested??? And, that would make this an even worse day...
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Post by 93beav on Nov 29, 2017 12:38:13 GMT -8
Ugh...high hopes for Niner but he wasn't looking like the best, or next best, or next next best candidate. I seriously hope this is not Barnes' attempt to placate boosters. Boosters are great and all but wins will make boosters just as happy.
If it is indeed Niner I hope they go to hog heaven on the amount of $$$ they spend on assistants because he's going to need them.
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 29, 2017 12:40:23 GMT -8
Smith coached at Idaho, Montana and BSU before UW. Is that a heck of a lot different/better than Baldwin? /shrug Baldwin has years more experience as an actual professional coach. I don't know where you get the Tom Herman numbers, he was an OC for TEN years before Houston. D-1 experience, sorry I was unclear. Iowa State, Ohio State. two years at Iowa State, two years at Ohio State. Niner finished his 4th season this year at UW. He had another year at Montana. He has 8 more years of being a QB coach. and being a QB coach is key for us right now. He has done a pretty dang good job of it. Rice is FBS But I understand what you're saying. Keep that glass half full!
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2017 12:42:05 GMT -8
Or the guy who has never been even a full time/no one looking over his shoulder OC until this year? The guy who has NEVER run an entire program? A guy who's NEVER been in charge of even a key recruiting area (see UW site... he's never been a "closer" on any recruit)? We made UW better... they will grab up a better OC than JS is a HC... and that is more of a sure thing than this hire made OSU better. Unless JS was hired in the $1 mil range and can bring along VERY good recruiting OC and DC (in the $500-700k range) this is a terrible move. A move backward. It may placate those with a nostalgia for the "good old days", but in the truest sense of hiring, not one major program would give JS an interview for a HC job... maybe not an OC job??? BUT... again this is all tempered by the fact... maybe no one better was truly interested??? And, that would make this an even worse day... I wonder if when Tedford said no thanks, they stayed around and ask him his opinion of Smith? I think you are selling Smith short. I accept he is risky, I accept there are question marks, but I have followed his career since he left OSU. You are not giving him the credit he deserves. Like I said before... A proven names gets you what exactly? Oh, yeah, a 7-23 record and a guy that couldn't recruit his way out of a paper bag.
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 29, 2017 12:42:32 GMT -8
Or the guy who has never been even a full time/no one looking over his shoulder OC until this year? The guy who has NEVER run an entire program? A guy who's NEVER been in charge of even a key recruiting area (see UW site... he's never been a "closer" on any recruit)? We made UW better... they will grab up a better OC than JS is a HC... and that is more of a sure thing than this hire made OSU better. Unless JS was hired in the $1 mil range and can bring along VERY good recruiting OC and DC (in the $500-700k range) this is a terrible move. A move backward. It may placate those with a nostalgia for the "good old days", but in the truest sense of hiring, not one major program would give JS an interview for a HC job... maybe not an OC job after the stint at UW was pretty average when he was the lone OC??? BUT... again this is all tempered by the fact... maybe no one better was truly interested??? And, that would make this an even worse day... This was a backup plan and we got super unlucky to be fishing from the same pool as UCLA/ASU/TAMU/TENN all in the same year. That's crazy. Hopefully he can make the most of it.
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 29, 2017 12:43:44 GMT -8
Or the guy who has never been even a full time/no one looking over his shoulder OC until this year? The guy who has NEVER run an entire program? A guy who's NEVER been in charge of even a key recruiting area (see UW site... he's never been a "closer" on any recruit)? We made UW better... they will grab up a better OC than JS is a HC... and that is more of a sure thing than this hire made OSU better. Unless JS was hired in the $1 mil range and can bring along VERY good recruiting OC and DC (in the $500-700k range) this is a terrible move. A move backward. It may placate those with a nostalgia for the "good old days", but in the truest sense of hiring, not one major program would give JS an interview for a HC job... maybe not an OC job??? BUT... again this is all tempered by the fact... maybe no one better was truly interested??? And, that would make this an even worse day... I wonder if when Tedford said no thanks, they stayed around and ask him his opinion of Smith? I think you are selling Smith short. I accept he is risky, I accept there are question marks, but I have followed his career since he left OSU. You are not giving him the credit he deserves. Like I said before... A proven names gets you what exactly? Oh, yeah, a 7-23 record and a guy that couldn't recruit his way out of a paper bag. UW fans seem to mostly revile him, although I admit I don't know much about what he's done for them in terms of play calling. And honestly, what does his play calling for UW matter unless he assumes that role here too. Head coach is a completely different animal. As is being repeated, this is all about the OC and DC hires.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2017 12:45:26 GMT -8
D-1 experience, sorry I was unclear. Iowa State, Ohio State. two years at Iowa State, two years at Ohio State. Niner finished his 4th season this year at UW. He had another year at Montana. He has 8 more years of being a QB coach. and being a QB coach is key for us right now. He has done a pretty dang good job of it. Rice is FBS But I understand what you're saying. Keep that glass half full! Really anybody we pick is a effort to choose a glass half full. And yes, I am purposefully choosing the positive. Believe me, I see all the negative here too. If it was Baldwin, we'd bitch about lack of P5 and Pac-12 experience. Only a year at this level. If we hired Les, his age and downward trajectory at LSU. ANYBODY we get will have question marks. I maintain, if you are gonna gamble, gamble on upside. Jonathan Smith has enough OSU nostalgia recognition to bring some fans back. Enough name recognition with the old guard boosters to keep their check books open. I think there was more to this choice than just a resume.
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Post by 93beav on Nov 29, 2017 12:45:54 GMT -8
Or the guy who has never been even a full time/no one looking over his shoulder OC until this year? The guy who has NEVER run an entire program? A guy who's NEVER been in charge of even a key recruiting area (see UW site... he's never been a "closer" on any recruit)? We made UW better... they will grab up a better OC than JS is a HC... and that is more of a sure thing than this hire made OSU better. Unless JS was hired in the $1 mil range and can bring along VERY good recruiting OC and DC (in the $500-700k range) this is a terrible move. A move backward. It may placate those with a nostalgia for the "good old days", but in the truest sense of hiring, not one major program would give JS an interview for a HC job... maybe not an OC job??? BUT... again this is all tempered by the fact... maybe no one better was truly interested??? And, that would make this an even worse day... I wonder if when Tedford said no thanks, they stayed around and ask him his opinion of Smith? I think you are selling Smith short. I accept he is risky, I accept there are question marks, but I have followed his career since he left OSU. You are not giving him the credit he deserves. Like I said before... A proven names gets you what exactly? Oh, yeah, a 7-23 record and a guy that couldn't recruit his way out of a paper bag. I get that, but that's like pointing out the exception to the rule. It's like saying the one time the parachute doesn't open must mean all parachutes are faulty. Screw that, I want the damn parachute! It's about playing the odds and granted I'm not a great football mind for our century but I'm not really understanding how the odds are in our favor with this (over other options). I'm counting on Barnes and Ray to have a surprise 2nd half of this plan that wows us. Or a 6+ win season next year. Either/or.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 29, 2017 12:46:50 GMT -8
Or the guy who has never been even a full time/no one looking over his shoulder OC until this year? The guy who has NEVER run an entire program? A guy who's NEVER been in charge of even a key recruiting area (see UW site... he's never been a "closer" on any recruit)? We made UW better... they will grab up a better OC than JS is a HC... and that is more of a sure thing than this hire made OSU better. Unless JS was hired in the $1 mil range and can bring along VERY good recruiting OC and DC (in the $500-700k range) this is a terrible move. A move backward. It may placate those with a nostalgia for the "good old days", but in the truest sense of hiring, not one major program would give JS an interview for a HC job... maybe not an OC job after the stint at UW was pretty average when he was the lone OC??? BUT... again this is all tempered by the fact... maybe no one better was truly interested??? And, that would make this an even worse day... My fear is that your post is spot on, it's been my worry all along. My hope is that JS is going to make all the right decisions and he's this generation's new Bellichick.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 29, 2017 12:49:49 GMT -8
F it. Finally, the pall of Andersen is lifting! Until Niner does something stupid, I am 100% behind this hire.
Niner will be a billion times better than Oregon State's "can't miss" hire in 2014. 2018 will be the first year since 2003 that Niner has donned the orange and black. Few people are going to know Corvallis and how to recruit Corvallis better than Niner.
Welcome home, Niner! Now, hire a staff that fits your vision and recruit your tail off. Bring a full class of great young men to Corvallis.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 29, 2017 12:50:47 GMT -8
I wonder if when Tedford said no thanks, they stayed around and ask him his opinion of Smith? I think you are selling Smith short. I accept he is risky, I accept there are question marks, but I have followed his career since he left OSU. You are not giving him the credit he deserves. Like I said before... A proven names gets you what exactly? Oh, yeah, a 7-23 record and a guy that couldn't recruit his way out of a paper bag. I get that, but that's like pointing out the exception to the rule. It's like saying the one time the parachute doesn't open must mean all parachutes are faulty. Screw that, I want the damn parachute! It's about playing the odds and granted I'm not a great football mind for our century but I'm not really understanding how the odds are in our favor with this (over other options). I'm counting on Barnes and Ray to have a surprise 2nd half of this plan that wows us. Or a 6+ win season next year. Either/or. Surprise 2nd half? I'd hope that'd be ponying up and raising the portion of departmental spending on football to where it competes with the upper level schools in the conference instead of being the lowest in the conference.
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