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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 29, 2017 12:51:01 GMT -8
Or the guy who has never been even a full time/no one looking over his shoulder OC until this year? The guy who has NEVER run an entire program? A guy who's NEVER been in charge of even a key recruiting area (see UW site... he's never been a "closer" on any recruit)? We made UW better... they will grab up a better OC than JS is a HC... and that is more of a sure thing than this hire made OSU better. Unless JS was hired in the $1 mil range and can bring along VERY good recruiting OC and DC (in the $500-700k range) this is a terrible move. A move backward. It may placate those with a nostalgia for the "good old days", but in the truest sense of hiring, not one major program would give JS an interview for a HC job... maybe not an OC job??? BUT... again this is all tempered by the fact... maybe no one better was truly interested??? And, that would make this an even worse day... I wonder if when Tedford said no thanks, they stayed around and ask him his opinion of Smith? I think you are selling Smith short. I accept he is risky, I accept there are question marks, but I have followed his career since he left OSU. You are not giving him the credit he deserves. Like I said before... A proven names gets you what exactly? Oh, yeah, a 7-23 record and a guy that couldn't recruit his way out of a paper bag. There is a very simple question, but it is actually difficult to answer because you really can't undo history. But, selling his career "short" is not the true issue, nor predicting his apparent future. The true question is... if JS had never been at OSU would ANYONE think a lifetime assistant coach at age 38 with this resume should be OSU's next HC? A HC that is going to be required not only to win, but rebuild an entire mindset of mistrust and underachievement... I can not know other's thoughts... BUT, I am fairly certain to the Nth degree no other candidate with this resume would garner any approval.
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Post by messi on Nov 29, 2017 12:53:14 GMT -8
Let's go for it. Years ago, it felt that one day Jonathan Smith would be a Division 1 head coach, and that day has arrived. The one thing that I believe Coach Smith ha,s that is above the other candidates, is football IQ. His high football IQ is what I believe helped the Beavers the most during that Fiesta Bowl run, and that football IQ is what has helped him during his coaching reign. What would make this especially intriguing for me is if his staff does include some former teammates. Ah whatever, at least we finally got someone.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 29, 2017 12:55:52 GMT -8
F it. Until Niner does something stupid, I am 100% behind this hire. Niner will be a billion times better than Oregon State's "can't miss" hire in 2014. 2018 will be the first year since 2003 that Niner has donned the orange and black. Few people are going to know Corvallis and how to recruit Corvallis better than Niner. Welcome home, Niner! Now, hire a staff that fits your vision and recruit your tail off. Bring a full class of great young men to Corvallis. Being a player here 16 years ago makes him know present day Corvallis and the current OSU team chemistry??? JS was not even a key recruiter for UW. And, he may have already done the stupid thing... accepting a D1/P5 job before he is truly ready. Again... unless he was dirt cheap and hires GREAT coordinators that are also GREAT recruiters this is a 20/80 proposition at best. And, for those who think bringing in a bunch of former OSU greats that have never coached.. ya... well we just tried that. And they had coaching experience!
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 29, 2017 12:56:24 GMT -8
Or the guy who has never been even a full time/no one looking over his shoulder OC until this year? The guy who has NEVER run an entire program? A guy who's NEVER been in charge of even a key recruiting area (see UW site... he's never been a "closer" on any recruit)? We made UW better... they will grab up a better OC than JS is a HC... and that is more of a sure thing than this hire made OSU better. Unless JS was hired in the $1 mil range and can bring along VERY good recruiting OC and DC (in the $500-700k range) this is a terrible move. A move backward. It may placate those with a nostalgia for the "good old days", but in the truest sense of hiring, not one major program would give JS an interview for a HC job... maybe not an OC job after the stint at UW was pretty average when he was the lone OC??? BUT... again this is all tempered by the fact... maybe no one better was truly interested??? And, that would make this an even worse day... This was a backup plan and we got super unlucky to be fishing from the same pool as UCLA/ASU/TAMU/TENN all in the same year. That's crazy. Hopefully he can make the most of it. We were not fishing from the same pool as UCLA/ASU/TAMU/TENN. Chip Kelly was never coming here nor was Mullen nor Jimbo Fisher nor the next coach of TN. Smith does seem like a backup plan move and hardly worth the money we paid a search firm. That being said, I don't know that much about his performance at UW. Just looking at his resume, its not all that much different than say Mike Norvell's when he was hired at Memphis. You'd just like to think that a Power 5 HC position would get you more than that, but maybe that's not the case with where the program is now.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2017 12:59:05 GMT -8
F it. Finally, the pall of Andersen is lifting! Until Niner does something stupid, I am 100% behind this hire. Niner will be a billion times better than Oregon State's "can't miss" hire in 2014. 2018 will be the first year since 2003 that Niner has donned the orange and black. Few people are going to know Corvallis and how to recruit Corvallis better than Niner. Welcome home, Niner! Now, hire a staff that fits your vision and recruit your tail off. Bring a full class of great young men to Corvallis. I firmly believe Niner is an 7-8 win average coach... I believe he is a young Riley type. Is he the 10+ win play for the Rose Bowl coach we all thought GA was? I have no idea. But Smith is not an idiot, and he doesn't exude this... I dunno how to even describe it... this fuzzy philosophy that guides his life. The thing that made GA do all the bulls%#t benching of good players, playing the idiot QB games, all that nonsense. With Niner, you are guaranteed to have the no-nonsense, pragmatic and logical choice. that is how he has been his whole life. That alone will get us 4-6 wins every year. Just not being stupid. I give you a 100% guarantee he will never mention big boy pants or "process" ever...
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 29, 2017 13:03:31 GMT -8
I wonder if when Tedford said no thanks, they stayed around and ask him his opinion of Smith? I think you are selling Smith short. I accept he is risky, I accept there are question marks, but I have followed his career since he left OSU. You are not giving him the credit he deserves. Like I said before... A proven names gets you what exactly? Oh, yeah, a 7-23 record and a guy that couldn't recruit his way out of a paper bag. I get that, but that's like pointing out the exception to the rule. It's like saying the one time the parachute doesn't open must mean all parachutes are faulty. Screw that, I want the damn parachute! It's about playing the odds and granted I'm not a great football mind for our century but I'm not really understanding how the odds are in our favor with this (over other options). I'm counting on Barnes and Ray to have a surprise 2nd half of this plan that wows us. Or a 6+ win season next year. Either/or. High risk should be paired with high reward. I'm not sure we can say that this is a potentially high reward hire. Maybe it's a low risk hire too. It's more of a 1 out move the man over bunt than a swing for the fences.
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 29, 2017 13:04:25 GMT -8
F it. Finally, the pall of Andersen is lifting! Until Niner does something stupid, I am 100% behind this hire. Niner will be a billion times better than Oregon State's "can't miss" hire in 2014. 2018 will be the first year since 2003 that Niner has donned the orange and black. Few people are going to know Corvallis and how to recruit Corvallis better than Niner. Welcome home, Niner! Now, hire a staff that fits your vision and recruit your tail off. Bring a full class of great young men to Corvallis. I firmly believe Niner is an 7-8 win average coach... I believe he is a young Riley type. Is he the 10+ win play for the Rose Bowl coach we all thought GA was? I have no idea. But Smith is not an idiot, and he doesn't exude this... I dunno how to even describe it... this fuzzy philosophy that guides his life. The thing that made GA do all the bulls%#t benching of good players, playing the idiot QB games, all that nonsense. With Niner, you are guaranteed to have the no-nonsense, pragmatic and logical choice. that is how he has been his whole life. That alone will get us 4-6 wins every year. Just not being stupid. I give you a 100% guarantee he will never mention big boy pants or "process" ever... Your glass is overflowing now. Pragmatism doesn't win games, well coached talent does.
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Post by bennyorange on Nov 29, 2017 13:05:24 GMT -8
I'm kind of underwhelmed but willing to keep an open mind. I'm no studied expert like a lot of you but based on the give and take on here over the past weeks, and I've read a lot of it, I think I had settled on Tedford as our best choice but it sounds like he wasn't interested.
I question whether JS has the personality to be the face of the program as he seems quiet and introverted. He'll have to be cuddling up to boosters and helping wow recruits in their living rooms to some degree.
On the other hand we could have done a lot worse. He brings back fond memories of the greatest period in Beaver football over the last 40 years and if he can attract some quality assistants why not? I'd even vote for DE in some capacity, maybe even as high as assistant head coach with a modest salary since it seems like he wanted to come here. That might help make the transitions to all-in responsibility as little easier for Niner.
I even like the thought of all an all OSU greats staff - at least you know they would be emotionally invested in the program and there are a number out there that have proven their salt even if at a lower level.
However it turns out, the fan base is going to have to get behind him 100% as we're a big part of the equation too. I'm not ready to let us fall into the abyss I lived through in the 70's and 80's and certainly not with our hometown hero at the helm. If the whole thing tanks in five years I'll probably throw in the towel but for now I'm all in despite my reservations.
Go Beavs !!!
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2017 13:05:40 GMT -8
This was a backup plan and we got super unlucky to be fishing from the same pool as UCLA/ASU/TAMU/TENN all in the same year. That's crazy. Hopefully he can make the most of it. We were not fishing from the same pool as UCLA/ASU/TAMU/TENN. Chip Kelly was never coming here nor was Mullen nor Jimbo Fisher nor the next coach of TN. Smith does seem like a backup plan move and hardly worth the money we paid a search firm. That being said, I don't know that much about his performance at UW. Just looking at his resume, its not all that much different than say Mike Norvell's when he was hired at Memphis. You'd just like to think that a Power 5 HC position would get you more than that, but maybe that's not the case with where the program is now. First, the 200K was the "not to exceed amount" as is required in state contracts. It doesn't mean that is what we paid. But, i would like to imagine, the role the search firm did was dig into how JS really performed as OC. The common criticism here is that he always had a co-pilot. This is exactly the job these search firms are suppose to do. Get to the truth and bottom line. What did he REALLY contribute in those years.
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Post by alwaysorange on Nov 29, 2017 13:07:02 GMT -8
You know every coach that has recently been fired McElwain, Graham, Bielema, Mora, etc.. at the time they were hired they were the right guy at the time. The whole hiring process is a crap shoot.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 29, 2017 13:07:24 GMT -8
F it. Finally, the pall of Andersen is lifting! Until Niner does something stupid, I am 100% behind this hire. Niner will be a billion times better than Oregon State's "can't miss" hire in 2014. 2018 will be the first year since 2003 that Niner has donned the orange and black. Few people are going to know Corvallis and how to recruit Corvallis better than Niner. Welcome home, Niner! Now, hire a staff that fits your vision and recruit your tail off. Bring a full class of great young men to Corvallis. I firmly believe Niner is an 7-8 win average coach... I believe he is a young Riley type. Is he the 10+ win play for the Rose Bowl coach we all thought GA was? I have no idea. But Smith is not an idiot, and he doesn't exude this... I dunno how to even describe it... this fuzzy philosophy that guides his life. The thing that made GA do all the bulls%#t benching of good players, playing the idiot QB games, all that nonsense. With Niner, you are guaranteed to have the no-nonsense, pragmatic and logical choice. that is how he has been his whole life. That alone will get us 4-6 wins every year. Just not being stupid. I give you a 100% guarantee he will never mention big boy pants or "process" ever... I take that bet... cuz, "process" comes out of the mouth of about 95% of every coach at one time or another
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 29, 2017 13:08:57 GMT -8
F it. Until Niner does something stupid, I am 100% behind this hire. Niner will be a billion times better than Oregon State's "can't miss" hire in 2014. 2018 will be the first year since 2003 that Niner has donned the orange and black. Few people are going to know Corvallis and how to recruit Corvallis better than Niner. Welcome home, Niner! Now, hire a staff that fits your vision and recruit your tail off. Bring a full class of great young men to Corvallis. Being a player here 16 years ago makes him know present day Corvallis and the current OSU team chemistry??? JS was not even a key recruiter for UW. And, he may have already done the stupid thing... accepting a D1/P5 job before he is truly ready. Again... unless he was dirt cheap and hires GREAT coordinators that are also GREAT recruiters this is a 20/80 proposition at best. And, for those who think bringing in a bunch of former OSU greats that have never coached.. ya... well we just tried that. And they had coaching experience! Who were all the OSU greats on GA's staff?
Maybe you should let him coach a few games before you pass judgment.........
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 29, 2017 13:11:46 GMT -8
I get that, but that's like pointing out the exception to the rule. It's like saying the one time the parachute doesn't open must mean all parachutes are faulty. Screw that, I want the damn parachute! It's about playing the odds and granted I'm not a great football mind for our century but I'm not really understanding how the odds are in our favor with this (over other options). I'm counting on Barnes and Ray to have a surprise 2nd half of this plan that wows us. Or a 6+ win season next year. Either/or. High risk should be paired with high reward. I'm not sure we can say that this is a potentially high reward hire. Maybe it's a low risk hire too. It's more of a 1 out move the man over bunt than a swing for the fences. I think you could very well be right. This hire is safer with boosters than hiring a Baldwin (Who has actually been a Head Coach for a National Champion). Jonathan has experienced a good year here and there, Baldwin built a perrenially great team... but it was at a lower level and the boosters don't know who he is. I don't look at this as a low risk hire. I look at it as a tolerable hire. I don't see the upside that some other candidates have unfortunately.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2017 13:13:05 GMT -8
I firmly believe Niner is an 7-8 win average coach... I believe he is a young Riley type. Is he the 10+ win play for the Rose Bowl coach we all thought GA was? I have no idea. But Smith is not an idiot, and he doesn't exude this... I dunno how to even describe it... this fuzzy philosophy that guides his life. The thing that made GA do all the bulls%#t benching of good players, playing the idiot QB games, all that nonsense. With Niner, you are guaranteed to have the no-nonsense, pragmatic and logical choice. that is how he has been his whole life. That alone will get us 4-6 wins every year. Just not being stupid. I give you a 100% guarantee he will never mention big boy pants or "process" ever... I take that bet... cuz, "process" comes out of the mouth of about 95% of every coach at one time or another Ha, he just won't be asking you to "trust it"
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 29, 2017 13:15:31 GMT -8
My fear is Barnes and Ray are thinging some kind of OSU all-star staff is going to plug the drain on season ticket sales faster than any other choice and that's what they're focusing on more than the long term. I bet this hire costs us fewer defectors this year and maybe next, but the guys are going to have some success fast if they want to grow the fan base.
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