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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 29, 2017 13:16:50 GMT -8
Football Scoop is hinting now that this was a pretty bizarre search from start to finish (or maybe they are bitter because they were wrong on Baldwin). Given that we first interviewed JS about 3 weeks ago, sounds like we were probably turned down by someone or multiple someones.
Either way, welcome home Niner. Not on my own short list, but that's ok. If he coaches up a QB, has an identity on offense and gets us a DC who will run a 4-3, that's a damn good start for me. Bonus points for open practices and elimination of rugby punts.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 29, 2017 13:17:45 GMT -8
Being a player here 16 years ago makes him know present day Corvallis and the current OSU team chemistry??? JS was not even a key recruiter for UW. And, he may have already done the stupid thing... accepting a D1/P5 job before he is truly ready. Again... unless he was dirt cheap and hires GREAT coordinators that are also GREAT recruiters this is a 20/80 proposition at best. And, for those who think bringing in a bunch of former OSU greats that have never coached.. ya... well we just tried that. And they had coaching experience! Who were all the OSU greats on GA's staff?
Maybe you should let him coach a few games before you pass judgment.........
Maybe you're not making a connection... never said any were on GA's staff. But, there are some who want them to be added to this staff 'in the making'. And... I'm presenting factual/opinions on the supposed hire. It's not a judgement or a guarantee of failure/success as no one on here can do that. So, I suggest you read the entirety of my posts on differing threads before making inane comments... or just not make any comment at all?
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2017 13:17:54 GMT -8
My fear is Barnes and Ray are thinging some kind of OSU all-star staff is going to plug the drain on season ticket sales faster than any other choice and that's what they're focusing on more than the long term. I bet this hire costs us fewer defectors this year and maybe next, but the guys are going to have some success fast if they want to grow the fan base. It's working, I want to buy season tickets more now than when they hired GA. I was going to buy them, then I went to the spring game in '15 and rethought my entire life choices...
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Post by beavdowg on Nov 29, 2017 13:19:16 GMT -8
I am okay with this. Beau Baldwin or Niner is a dice roll. Niner at least has more D-1 and pac-12 experience. Niner has as much OC experience as Tom Herman had when Houston hired him. Niner coached for Erickson, Riley and Petersen. Some brilliant minds. All of this is made or broken on his coordinator hires and assistants. Smith coached at Idaho, Montana and BSU before UW. Is that a heck of a lot different/better than Baldwin? /shrug Baldwin has years more experience as an actual professional coach. I don't know where you get the Tom Herman numbers, he was an OC for TEN years before Houston. Uh, yeah, Baldwin's resume is quite a bit more impressive, namely that he WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP at EWU and had multiple 10-win seasons as the HC at EWU! I loved the Erickson era at OSU and loved Jonathon Smith's time with us but this is an absolute abomination of an opportunity for OSU! If Baldwin was an option for us and we passed him up for JS then I am deeply disappointed in the hire and expect very little improvement. Maybe he gets us to 3-4 wins but I will be shocked if JS gets us to a consistent 8-10 wins per year that I think is realistic.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 29, 2017 13:19:27 GMT -8
I will have to admit I had about 30 guys (real and imaginary possibilities) penciled in ahead of Jonathan, but if he's our coach... Welcome!
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 29, 2017 13:20:40 GMT -8
This was a backup plan and we got super unlucky to be fishing from the same pool as UCLA/ASU/TAMU/TENN all in the same year. That's crazy. Hopefully he can make the most of it. We were not fishing from the same pool as UCLA/ASU/TAMU/TENN. Chip Kelly was never coming here nor was Mullen nor Jimbo Fisher nor the next coach of TN. Smith does seem like a backup plan move and hardly worth the money we paid a search firm. That being said, I don't know that much about his performance at UW. Just looking at his resume, its not all that much different than say Mike Norvell's when he was hired at Memphis. You'd just like to think that a Power 5 HC position would get you more than that, but maybe that's not the case with where the program is now. That's pretty damning of our situation.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 29, 2017 13:23:40 GMT -8
Smith coached at Idaho, Montana and BSU before UW. Is that a heck of a lot different/better than Baldwin? /shrug Baldwin has years more experience as an actual professional coach. I don't know where you get the Tom Herman numbers, he was an OC for TEN years before Houston. Uh, yeah, Baldwin's resume is quite a bit more impressive, namely that he WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP at EWU and had multiple 10-win seasons as the HC at EWU! I loved the Erickson era at OSU and loved Jonathon Smith's time with us but this is an absolute abomination of an opportunity for OSU! If Baldwin was an option for us and we passed him up for JS then I am deeply disappointed in the hire and expect very little improvement. Maybe he gets us to 3-4 wins but I will be shocked if JS gets us to a consistent 8-10 wins per year that I think is realistic. Not hiring Baldwin could come back an haunt us in a very few years. The guy's a winner and a program builder. EWU was winning only 56 percent of their games the 8 years prior to Baldwin's arrival. He took them to the National Semifinals or better several times, won 10 games or more in the majority of his seasons.
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 29, 2017 13:23:45 GMT -8
I guess it's not the fact that Jonathan Smith is quite possibly our new coach that has me, it's the fact that he is 38, and when JS came to OSU, I was 38 - sigh.
Go Beavs!
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 29, 2017 13:25:02 GMT -8
Who were all the OSU greats on GA's staff?
Maybe you should let him coach a few games before you pass judgment.........
Maybe you're not making a connection... never said any were on GA's staff. But, there are some who want them to be added to this staff 'in the making'. And... I'm presenting factual/opinions on the supposed hire. It's not a judgement or a guarantee of failure/success as no one on here can do that. So, I suggest you read the entirety of my posts on differing threads before making inane comments... or just not make any comment at all? "And, for those who think bringing in a bunch of former OSU greats that have never coached.. ya... well we just tried that. And they had coaching experience!"
My bad. I forgot that you struggle with the English language.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 29, 2017 13:25:18 GMT -8
Jonathan Smith.....smh 28 straight years here we come And to think that I cane to the board every day multiple times hoping for a “splash”, only to discover that we’re settling for a ripple (I’m being generous). I guess $200,000 doesn’t get you what it used to if this is our best option after 7 weeks. I am so underwhelmed by this news that I can’t put it into words. Why on earth does anyone honestly believe that this hire is the answer to getting this turned around? I respected Smith and appreciated his role on that Fiesta team, although revisionist history seems to overlook how average he was when he didn’t have a good O-line. Maybe he’s the “little engine that could” and rises up to surprise me as a coach like he did as an undersized walk-on QB. I’d love to see that happen, but today I’m just shocked and disappointed. I can only assume that this is the result of a lot of “no thank you” responses from stronger candidates. If he is our coach, so be it. I won’t turn my back on the Beavs whether I agree with this or any other hire, but this news has me turning to hoops (thank you, Scott Rueck) more quickly and fully than I expected it would. Then again, I was over the moon 3 years ago when the sexy name was hired. That didn’t turn out so well, and this can’t possibly be worse for us in the long run.
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Post by obf on Nov 29, 2017 13:25:34 GMT -8
I get that, but that's like pointing out the exception to the rule. It's like saying the one time the parachute doesn't open must mean all parachutes are faulty. Screw that, I want the damn parachute! It's about playing the odds and granted I'm not a great football mind for our century but I'm not really understanding how the odds are in our favor with this (over other options). I'm counting on Barnes and Ray to have a surprise 2nd half of this plan that wows us. Or a 6+ win season next year. Either/or. High risk should be paired with high reward. I'm not sure we can say that this is a potentially high reward hire. Maybe it's a low risk hire too. It's more of a 1 out move the man over bunt than a swing for the fences. Pat Casey should love it then
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 29, 2017 13:27:08 GMT -8
Maybe you're not making a connection... never said any were on GA's staff. But, there are some who want them to be added to this staff 'in the making'. And... I'm presenting factual/opinions on the supposed hire. It's not a judgement or a guarantee of failure/success as no one on here can do that. So, I suggest you read the entirety of my posts on differing threads before making inane comments... or just not make any comment at all? "And, for those who think bringing in a bunch of former OSU greats that have never coached.. ya... well we just tried that. And they had coaching experience!"
My bad. I forgot that you struggle with the English language.
ya... and you with intelligent inference to what is and was... But, you represent the moniker well
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Post by thomasg86 on Nov 29, 2017 13:30:21 GMT -8
Ugh. Completely underwhelmed. I will give Niner my full support, but if this is the best we can do, that is pathetic. Strip JS of any OSU ties and we'd be blowing up the AD phones and rioting in the streets.
Really hope Jonathan proves me wrong. I thought Andersen was a good hire, so what the eff do I know. Go get 'em #9 - if this is true.
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Post by osuft3 on Nov 29, 2017 13:31:47 GMT -8
My fear is Barnes and Ray are thinging some kind of OSU all-star staff is going to plug the drain on season ticket sales faster than any other choice and that's what they're focusing on more than the long term. I bet this hire costs us fewer defectors this year and maybe next, but the guys are going to have some success fast if they want to grow the fan base. Gotta plug the hole before you can refill the RESERvoir. If this hire is true, I believe you are correct in B and R's thought process. Maybe it'll work and maybe it won't. Whichever choice they have made is a gamble. The important thing is Beaver Nation needs a rebuild in the football program, and whoever is hired starts that now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 13:32:22 GMT -8
ESPN is reporting it now
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