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Post by rollotomasi on Nov 30, 2017 17:12:47 GMT -8
I'm not a fan of Baldwin just for the simple fact that I don't think running a shotgun spread option offense is the way to go in Corvallis. Especially when 8 out of the 11 other teams are running some variation of it. I'd rather us run an offense that is more like Chris Petersen's formation, pre-snap shift, and leverage type of offense that isn't afraid to go jumbo, use an H-back, use a fullback. They make a habit of throwing speedy receivers into open grass, similarly to Erickson's vertical spread attack. Smitty's pedigree makes him very, very interesting. 6 years with Chris Petersen should have given him a lot of ammo to work with. Me two, I think running more "problem" plays, with shifts, sweeps, and play action. Relying on great execution and preparation, which you can teach. Rather than just athletic ability which everyone has in different proportions. Really OSU is always going to need to be a "finesse" type of team to compete. I can't see a future roster playing "smash mouth" just don't have the bodies. Disagree. Everyone in the conference, other than Stanford, is a finesse type of team. I think being the Wisconsin of the West could work in Corvegas.
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Post by beavs6 on Nov 30, 2017 17:57:21 GMT -8
yep- last comment to one of most negative a-holes on the site. Enjoy your life of mediocrity, you deserve it Ya... my life mediocre... LOL... coming from you and your last posts as your swan song... think you pretty much hold those titles all alone. And, no one comes close. But, you're the type to: a) come back hiding under another moniker; (b) never come back to teach us all a lesson. I'm pretty sure everyone here chooses (b)... and we rarely reach unanimity. You definately do not speak for the board as a whole.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 30, 2017 18:04:15 GMT -8
Me two, I think running more "problem" plays, with shifts, sweeps, and play action. Relying on great execution and preparation, which you can teach. Rather than just athletic ability which everyone has in different proportions. Really OSU is always going to need to be a "finesse" type of team to compete. I can't see a future roster playing "smash mouth" just don't have the bodies. Disagree. Everyone in the conference, other than Stanford, is a finesse type of team. I think being the Wisconsin of the West could work in Corvegas. Big bodies are hard to come by for OSU, big wide bodies are even harder to come by. Drastically different world than Wisconsin with all the local corn-fed farm boys to pick from. Very few vegans in that neck of the woods, if you know what I'm saying. That's not to say that we can't play some smashmouth football but it will have to be a Corvallis type of smashmouth, built on having a bunch of 6-4, 295 pound guys who are athletic and can pass block effectively, which means they can also effectively execute a zone blocking scheme.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Nov 30, 2017 18:21:33 GMT -8
Me two, I think running more "problem" plays, with shifts, sweeps, and play action. Relying on great execution and preparation, which you can teach. Rather than just athletic ability which everyone has in different proportions. Really OSU is always going to need to be a "finesse" type of team to compete. I can't see a future roster playing "smash mouth" just don't have the bodies. Disagree. Everyone in the conference, other than Stanford, is a finesse type of team. I think being the Wisconsin of the West could work in Corvegas. One of the things to consider is what high schools are primarily running (a lot of gun and/or pistol with Spread Option). Not saying that's 100% of what you should do because the recruits coming in are getting a lot of exposure but it should be a the majority of the offense IMO (more the formations - gun and pistols types). A lot of kids don't even know how to take a snap from under center without tripping themselves or fumbling the football away with exchange problems (a problem with collegiate players going into the NFL too). One of the things I couldn't stand about Dave Baldwin and McGiven's offense is there seemed to be no up tempo to it at all! In fact, it was the opposite with too much shifting, then motion or vice versa. And whenever they would get into an "Over" formation from the shift (where you cover up the inside receiver by having two receivers on the LOS on the same side of the ball), you limit what you do in the passing game because the inside receiver becomes ineligible (unless you throw to an eligible lineman, which we did but that doesn't work well after a couple attempts) and they would telegraph where the ball was going with "fly" motion. Too predictable! Too slow! And too many procedural penalties. Oregon's Spread Option was predicated on fast reps! They would re-run a play up to 3 times in a row that couldn't be stopped because defensive adjustments couldn't keep up. That offense was built on execution and teaching! Their playbook was not very big at all. They just had to adjust to each defensive front with blocking changes, identify middle defender at the second level (blocking purposes-double teams/angles), checking the number in the box because most plays had an RPO built in (on each play). That takes a lot of coaching and detailed reps. Not saying we should go full spread option again but it should be a staple in every offense nowadays! Just use some tempo as a weapon. At least have some packages (plays/personnel). Tempo can hide some talent deficiencies but guys need to be committed and work hard. Just my take. Go Beavs!
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 30, 2017 18:28:15 GMT -8
Disagree. Everyone in the conference, other than Stanford, is a finesse type of team. I think being the Wisconsin of the West could work in Corvegas. Big bodies are hard to come by for OSU, big wide bodies are even harder to come by. Drastically different world than Wisconsin with all the local corn-fed farm boys to pick from. Very few vegans in that neck of the woods, if you know what I'm saying. That's not to say that we can't play some smashmouth football but it will have to be a Corvallis type of smashmouth, built on having a bunch of 6-4, 295 pound guys who are athletic and can pass block effectively, which means they can also effectively execute a zone blocking scheme. Corvallis type smashmouth is very early era Riley. Anderson and Moore, Jackson and Bernard era. Under center, downhill inside TB read running plays with down field passing off the play action. Mix in the fun pulling guard "student body left" type of play here and there, bring the fullback in every once in a while... Your 10-15 yard slant and post is your staple route for your SE and flanker. Lots of seam routes for the TE coming off that play action... Big Joe Newton Skying over some hapless OLB 20 yards downfield... I'd give anything for us to be back there. Gimmie some of that.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 30, 2017 20:48:27 GMT -8
He said tonight that "we" will be out recruiting next week. So unless he meant "we" in the collective sense, he will have a few assistants out on the road as well.
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Post by NativeBeav on Nov 30, 2017 21:23:53 GMT -8
Here is some red meat for all of you MR worshippers MR had said to JR when he left for the NFL/ CFL, there would be a coaching spot for you when you are done - period. JR has been working with MR this past year (maybe two?) as an assistant at Nebby - if you truly believe MR has a good eye for talent/ potential, do we offer some kind of position to JR on the new coaching staff? Talk about someone with small stature but big heart, incredible work ethic, and instant cred with recruits?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 30, 2017 21:27:25 GMT -8
He said tonight that "we" will be out recruiting next week. So unless he meant "we" in the collective sense, he will have a few assistants out on the road as well. I noticed this morning he used "we" in a fashion kind of like Coach Tinkle uses it. Maybe it's a Montana habit.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2017 23:37:41 GMT -8
He said tonight that "we" will be out recruiting next week. So unless he meant "we" in the collective sense, he will have a few assistants out on the road as well. He already has (4) "in the bag" supposedly just waiting on the hiring process to make it official and games to be completed Saturday for coaches to be here by Sunday, Monday at the latest to hit the road. Also he mentioned not only recruiting, but in the last 24 hours OSU has had some new recruit interest. I was told that they might be "flips" coming with one or more or the coaches. It is possible out early signing period might be much better than predicted.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Dec 1, 2017 5:06:18 GMT -8
He said tonight that "we" will be out recruiting next week. So unless he meant "we" in the collective sense, he will have a few assistants out on the road as well. He already has (4) "in the bag" supposedly just waiting on the hiring process to make it official and games to be completed Saturday for coaches to be here by Sunday, Monday at the latest to hit the road. Also he mentioned not only recruiting, but in the last 24 hours OSU has had some new recruit interest. I was told that they might be "flips" coming with one or more or the coaches. It is possible out early signing period might be much better than predicted. That's some positive news!! Looking forward to some official announcements over the next few days! I realize 9er wasn't your 1st choice, but he appears to be winning you over. I take that as a positive as well!!!! Go Beavs!!
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Post by rockybeav on Dec 1, 2017 8:00:22 GMT -8
He said tonight that "we" will be out recruiting next week. So unless he meant "we" in the collective sense, he will have a few assistants out on the road as well. He already has (4) "in the bag" supposedly just waiting on the hiring process to make it official and games to be completed Saturday for coaches to be here by Sunday, Monday at the latest to hit the road. Also he mentioned not only recruiting, but in the last 24 hours OSU has had some new recruit interest. I was told that they might be "flips" coming with one or more or the coaches. It is possible out early signing period might be much better than predicted. Great news indeed! Any chance some announcements get made tomorrow you think, or is Sunday more likely from what you’ve heard? I had a dream last night that Lake and Heyward were hired as co-d coordinators. Pipe dream, but at least it was pleasant. As for recruits, any guesses? Maybe Colson Yankoff?
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 1, 2017 11:27:37 GMT -8
Big bodies are hard to come by for OSU, big wide bodies are even harder to come by. Drastically different world than Wisconsin with all the local corn-fed farm boys to pick from. Very few vegans in that neck of the woods, if you know what I'm saying. That's not to say that we can't play some smashmouth football but it will have to be a Corvallis type of smashmouth, built on having a bunch of 6-4, 295 pound guys who are athletic and can pass block effectively, which means they can also effectively execute a zone blocking scheme. Corvallis type smashmouth is very early era Riley. Anderson and Moore, Jackson and Bernard era. Under center, downhill inside TB read running plays with down field passing off the play action. Mix in the fun pulling guard "student body left" type of play here and there, bring the fullback in every once in a while... Your 10-15 yard slant and post is your staple route for your SE and flanker. Lots of seam routes for the TE coming off that play action... Big Joe Newton Skying over some hapless OLB 20 yards downfield... I'd give anything for us to be back there. Gimmie some of that. Pulling guard HELL, the nastiest we ever were with pulling interior linemen was playing with Kyle DeVan at center. When he pulled and got out in front of Bernard, he made crushing blocks in the open field. That dude had phenominal footspeed. When you get to the point where you are winning the battle so consistently that pulling both the center AND the guard is on the table, that running game gets flat out nasty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 11:46:34 GMT -8
He said tonight that "we" will be out recruiting next week. So unless he meant "we" in the collective sense, he will have a few assistants out on the road as well. He already has (4) "in the bag" supposedly just waiting on the hiring process to make it official and games to be completed Saturday for coaches to be here by Sunday, Monday at the latest to hit the road. Also he mentioned not only recruiting, but in the last 24 hours OSU has had some new recruit interest. I was told that they might be "flips" coming with one or more or the coaches. It is possible out early signing period might be much better than predicted. Any rumors as to who these 4 are? Seems like most are done with their seasons and could be announced now, how long does the hiring process take?
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 1, 2017 14:53:30 GMT -8
He already has (4) "in the bag" supposedly just waiting on the hiring process to make it official and games to be completed Saturday for coaches to be here by Sunday, Monday at the latest to hit the road. Also he mentioned not only recruiting, but in the last 24 hours OSU has had some new recruit interest. I was told that they might be "flips" coming with one or more or the coaches. It is possible out early signing period might be much better than predicted. Any rumors as to who these 4 are? Seems like most are done with their seasons and could be announced now, how long does the hiring process take? Typical background checks, crossing the t's stuff. But, other coaching moves could effect some. I did hear (first post I've read lately so not sure if posted previously today) that a couple players want to return to OSU and that includes Isaac Garcia. At least two assts could be announced tonight or early tomorrow. Hoping to have pretty complete major staffers to head out on recruiting Sunday... Monday at the latest.
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 1, 2017 15:04:47 GMT -8
Any rumors as to who these 4 are? Seems like most are done with their seasons and could be announced now, how long does the hiring process take? Typical background checks, crossing the t's stuff. But, other coaching moves could effect some. I did hear (first post I've read lately so not sure if posted previously today) that a couple players want to return to OSU and that includes Isaac Garcia. At least two assts could be announced tonight or early tomorrow. Hoping to have pretty complete major staffers to head out on recruiting Sunday... Monday at the latest. Here's Garcia's tweet (he tagged Smith). I believe the other player he tagged was Kenny Turnier who is back playing DE at Ventura JC. May have gotten that backwards because I'm too old. Anyhow, you get the gist... www.vcweplayhard.com/sports/fball/2017-18/bios/turnier_kenny_izgi?view=gamelog&pos=d
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