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Post by babeav on Dec 7, 2017 15:13:35 GMT -8
In agreement too.....26 year season ticket holder but I'm not renewing this year. I can afford the price point for tickets and donation but I'm tired of driving from PDX to tailgate. The product has gotten so ugly I just can't do it anymore on a regular basis. Stay for a half or less and hit the road home, bad football in person sucks. I'll continue to donate assuring my place in line but I need to divest myself this year. We'll probably do a roadie to Reno, Palo Alto and Montlake and a game or two in Corvallis.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 7, 2017 15:20:28 GMT -8
I agree. Gave up my season tickets after 15 years during the CGA debacle. Was going to get the mini-plan, but then found good sideline seats on the west side for less than $20 on Stubhub, sometimes under cover too. I'd like to come back as a season ticket holder this year, but the prices are steep and I know there will be one or two games we can't make. The Terrace's big drawback is there is no place to go when it rains. 2018 is a good home schedule with USC and civil war. I do plan to make the trip to Reno. The fundamental issue right now. Demand is not there to justify $390 a seat for a season. that averages to $65 per seat for 6 games. And that doesn't included required BASF donations to the good seats. Literally every single game right now you can get a good ticket(s) for half that. without trying I can have two seats in a nice spot for that same $65 to any game I want. OSU needs to fire up the marketing machine right now and slash season tickets prices. Brand it as a "come back home" campaign. Offer season tickets for $250 a seat or something like that or even cheaper with a multi-year commitment. I bet something to that nature would find a welcomed audience. Lets get fans in the stands to welcome home Niner and cheer on a rebuilding team. A rebuilding team that may not score a bunch of wins early... but will at least act like a Division one team on the field. with identifiable offensive and defensive direction.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 7, 2017 15:54:52 GMT -8
I don't like this for a lot of reasons. One, Mike Riley hasn't been an assistant coach at the collegiate level in a LONG time. Head Coaches usually have a control factor about them and it's part of the competitive personality. I have a very hard time believing that Mike Riley is not going to try and have a big influence on this team. And I don't see a guy like Jonathan Smith standing his ground or telling Riley "no". So who's team is it then? The other part here is that if Jonathan Smith wanted to show that he was ready to take on a program, he shouldn't need a guy like Riley officially on staff to be that cushion! First major mistake, in my eyes of JS' Coaching debut. Who's next? Mark Banker? Good effing God! Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice shame on me! Fool me three times.... Go Beavs! You have absolutely no clue and are "uneducated" on several levels. First you do not MR's or JS personalities or relationship. They do... JS made the call. And... it's a great decision for a 1st time HC, let alone one in a P5 job. It will not be a long term job for MR, but he gives a low cost (I'm guessing he is taking a pretty bargain basement deal... fills his contract requirement to Huskers to look for work, and still get the difference from them) option that brings a vast wealth of experience and knowledge... which includes all the pitfalls he has made. 2nd, you've either never coached at a high level or have and you and those around you have egos that won't allow yourself to be surrounded by others with more knowledge and experience. It is the one sure sign that a HC is truly a good fit. They WELCOME knowledge and experience as long as they deem it a good fit! And, of course to your complete "uneducated" dismay JS thinks so. 3rd... every coach should have a big influence on this team! So again, you are espousing JS as a good hire one minute, then disparaging him the next because he brings back a mentor to help him succeed. Sounds like you are more into yourself/your opinion than seeing JS and the OSU football program have a chance to progress. Luckily "your eyes" have nothing to do with the way the program is run. Watch and learn... It's always the same thing with you isn't it "Baseball". Someone doesn't see things your way so they don't know anything. I guess that's expected from, you, the guy that knows everything?! Ha ha ha According to you and some others on this board, Mike Riley can't do anything wrong! Even if he goes to a school where he praised how much more talent he had....how did that end up? If that wasn't Mike Riley, you guys would be raking that person over the coals! Laughable! Go Beavs! Go Beavs!
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 7, 2017 15:57:31 GMT -8
I don't like this for a lot of reasons. One, Mike Riley hasn't been an assistant coach at the collegiate level in a LONG time. Head Coaches usually have a control factor about them and it's part of the competitive personality. I have a very hard time believing that Mike Riley is not going to try and have a big influence on this team. And I don't see a guy like Jonathan Smith standing his ground or telling Riley "no". So who's team is it then? The other part here is that if Jonathan Smith wanted to show that he was ready to take on a program, he shouldn't need a guy like Riley officially on staff to be that cushion! First major mistake, in my eyes of JS' Coaching debut. Who's next? Mark Banker? Good effing God! Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice shame on me! Fool me three times.... Go Beavs! Ill go out on a limb here and assume you have never ever met Coach Smith. Contrary to appearances, he does not lack for confidence or assertiveness, which any perceptible individual can tell in about 2 minutes. FYI Coach Smith doesn't need me defending him, this is just for your knowledge. I don't know Coach Smith personally. Do you? Go Beavs!
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 7, 2017 15:59:23 GMT -8
Not much we can do on either side really. What's done is done. But we can still give our opinions. There is an old saying, "aren't we suppose to get better go along"? Go Beavs! There's a much better old saying. If you aint got nothing good to say, then don't say it at all. Why not put your feelings aside, embrace the direction JS is going to take this program and get behind it. What do you have to lose, and you just might gain a happier outlook : ) You should take your own advice then! Go Beavs!
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 7, 2017 16:04:38 GMT -8
There's a much better old saying. If you aint got nothing good to say, then don't say it at all. Why not put your feelings aside, embrace the direction JS is going to take this program and get behind it. What do you have to lose, and you just might gain a happier outlook : ) You should take your own advice then! Go Beavs! Oh, I already do embrace the direction JS has us going and I'm 100% behind it! Cheers and yes absolutely Go Beavs!
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 7, 2017 16:08:03 GMT -8
It doesn't matter who anyone names. You have your opinion on the matter, I have mine. Most head coaches have someone as an asst. HC that is around their age, their experience. JS has no HC experience but he could bring in someone who he trusts that he doesn't feel obligated to! At some point, my opinion is, this decision will come back to haunt him (JS). I wanted to see what he could do, with his own team. IMO, this is no longer his team. Go Beavs! I get it is your opinion. and it is reasonable to worry about the dynamics. It is a real world threat. But again, looking at it logically, has Riley ever given an indication that he would let his ego get in the way of anything? Does he really strike you as a person that would try and wrestle control from Smith? I believe he would really embrace the chance to just go coach up some kids and leave the head aches to somebody else. First off, ATown, I want to say thanks for approaching this with tact and not turning this into a middle school thing where everyone attacks the person with a different opinion. Honest answer, I honestly was not trying to portray Riley as an ego maniac or someone that would try to wrestle control away. My opinion rather was based on being a creature of habit. I've seen it happen first hand, not with Riley but other coaches. It's ore just being a competitor and having been a leader so long. That is a BIG role change than what he has been doing over the last 3 decades at the collegiate level. And as always (unlike some people on this board) I could be completely wrong (which honestly I hope I am). I appreciate what Riley did for the program. He coached for one the best coaches in the history of the NW in Ad Rutschman (as a D Coordinator at Linfield). I guess I wanted to see JS without the training wheels as well. "I believe he would really embrace the chance to just go coach up some kids and leave the head aches to somebody else." That would be great! And you could be 100% correct?! In the end, they're all opinions. We are all going to see soon enough, what happens. Go Beavs!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 7, 2017 16:31:00 GMT -8
He went from being an NFL head coach with the Chargers to an NFL assistant coach with the Saints. It's not like he hasn't done this before.
Check out NFL coaching staffs. They are loaded with former head coaches serving as assistants. The best coach in the NFL has a former head coach as his OC. The Chiefs have an assistant head coach who was an NFL coach. The Rams' first-year coach has a veteran head coach (Wade Phillips) running his defense. It's the norm, at the highest level of the industry.
Even uo had two former head coaches as assistants.
Hire the best people you can find. Period. Whatever position MR coaches next year, he'll have more experience and knowledge than any of his Pac-12 peers at that position.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 7, 2017 19:56:17 GMT -8
I only disagree because (1) it was used by the former staff and don't want to be reminded of them; (2) the other staff came from different school before OSU, but did ALL coach together previously, unlike this staff who have never ALL coached together. Do not have ability to research more, but coaches that have coached/worked together on previous staffs or had coach player relationships include: JS & MR, Bray & JS, JS & Lindgren, Cookus & MR & JS, Michalzik & JS, and DVD & MR & JS & Cookus & Michalzik & Bray. There are plenty of connections and we do not even have half the staff. This all off the top of my head. The real point is connections will be there from the past. Is there a point where it is too much. I personally do not think so. JS has yet to bring in someone that he has not personally worked with. That could be a concern, but unfamiliarity could be a concern as well. I am looking forward to finding out who the rest of the staff is and what they accomplish. Here's the deal. So far all of the coaches JS has hired have worked at fairly successful Power 5 schools. Some people are freaking out about "bringing back the band" because the last coach brought back a band that for the most part didn't play in big venues. We had a bunch of mostly G5 coaches that had some success at times the last go around. If Coach Smith continues to hire coaches of this caliber it could be exciting times ahead.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 7, 2017 20:10:15 GMT -8
They may come back, but these are not your typical bandwagon jumpers. These are 20-30 year season ticket holders.
And, season tickets haven't just went down in the last 3 years. They've been trending downward for close to 10 years. Hopefully that will change soon.
People can afford to be "game by game" with all the TV... not sure season tix will ever climb about 20k. I did a little informal research as the season went on... home and the away games I attended... season tix/away tix purchased thru a school... $68/game/seat seats if purchased thru StubHub... $32/game/seat... and were in same or better locations in each stadium. For as long and as many as I buy I have considered not renewing, but not out of anger. I can bump my donation, get better seats, and still spend less. I do not care about the offers... free Terrace pass for one game for each seat. The place sux... rather tailgate longer. Free bonus priority points... no thx. Beaver clear bag... yippee. 6-month payment plan... not needed. And, last time I looked season tix are still $390, but if you want extras... holy moly Batman.... $86-$150+ for some games. They are basically driving people to their TVs and outlets like StubHub (which I assume OSU gets some $$$ from since they are partnered on the website???). The only way they'll get people paying those kind of donations back in the 20k+ range is by winning a LOT to where it's a hot ticket, or by winning fairly well and taping off 6-7k seats. Once former season ticket holders CAN'T get into games they want to attend, there's incentive again. It'll be a bit of a tough row. Once you lose them, I suspect season ticket holders are tough to get back.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 7, 2017 20:22:32 GMT -8
I agree. Gave up my season tickets after 15 years during the CGA debacle. Was going to get the mini-plan, but then found good sideline seats on the west side for less than $20 on Stubhub, sometimes under cover too. I'd like to come back as a season ticket holder this year, but the prices are steep and I know there will be one or two games we can't make. The Terrace's big drawback is there is no place to go when it rains. 2018 is a good home schedule with USC and civil war. I do plan to make the trip to Reno. The fundamental issue right now. Demand is not there to justify $390 a seat for a season. that averages to $65 per seat for 6 games. And that doesn't included required BASF donations to the good seats. Literally every single game right now you can get a good ticket(s) for half that. without trying I can have two seats in a nice spot for that same $65 to any game I want. OSU needs to fire up the marketing machine right now and slash season tickets prices. Brand it as a "come back home" campaign. Offer season tickets for $250 a seat or something like that or even cheaper with a multi-year commitment. I bet something to that nature would find a welcomed audience. Lets get fans in the stands to welcome home Niner and cheer on a rebuilding team. A rebuilding team that may not score a bunch of wins early... but will at least act like a Division one team on the field. with identifiable offensive and defensive direction. If I were the AD, I'd send out a letter to every donor that dropped their season tix between 2012 and September of 2017, and tell 'em that if they renew their donation level for 2 years (at the current rate) they had when they dropped, tickets are a buck a game. The offer stands for 60 days. Season tix at a high rate on top of a high donation is a borderline insult to some people. If we could regain 500+ former donors it'd be well worth the discount.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 7, 2017 20:48:33 GMT -8
The fundamental issue right now. Demand is not there to justify $390 a seat for a season. that averages to $65 per seat for 6 games. And that doesn't included required BASF donations to the good seats. Literally every single game right now you can get a good ticket(s) for half that. without trying I can have two seats in a nice spot for that same $65 to any game I want. OSU needs to fire up the marketing machine right now and slash season tickets prices. Brand it as a "come back home" campaign. Offer season tickets for $250 a seat or something like that or even cheaper with a multi-year commitment. I bet something to that nature would find a welcomed audience. Lets get fans in the stands to welcome home Niner and cheer on a rebuilding team. A rebuilding team that may not score a bunch of wins early... but will at least act like a Division one team on the field. with identifiable offensive and defensive direction. If I were the AD, I'd send out a letter to every donor that dropped their season tix between 2012 and September of 2017, and tell 'em that if they renew their donation level for 2 years (at the current rate) they had when they dropped, tickets are a buck a game. The offer stands for 60 days. Season tix at a high rate on top of a high donation is a borderline insult to some people. If we could regain 500+ former donors it'd be well worth the discount. I’d be back in. Dropped before 2016 season. Looking like one of my few smart moves with market timing!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 7, 2017 21:45:41 GMT -8
That is correct. You have to pay them market rate. That prevents teams from hiring coaches and paying them $1 per year while letting their old team pick up the tab. Position coaches make around $200K. When Arizona State signed Dennis Erickson in 2007, Erickson's salary was $500,000.00 for the first year, because he was still being paid under his contract with the 49ers. In 2008, Erickson's 49er money ran out, so Arizona State had to up his salary to the true market rate, $1,500,000.00. If the true market rate of a position coach is $200,000.00, Oregon State could probably get away with paying roughly a third of that. I think that I mentioned earlier that a pro to hiring Riley is that Oregon State could probably hire him on the cheap.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 8, 2017 8:50:16 GMT -8
Most contracts these days stipulate the fired coach must earn true market value in his next job, for that very reason.
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 8, 2017 9:01:38 GMT -8
It's extremely rare for the former employer to sue - after all, any work at any pay is better than having the coach not work at all, and these contracts cannot require Riley to go to work. Since there is no standard for what "market rate" is for a 60-plus-year-old football coach who just got fired, you just have to not be stupid about it.
And Bill Moos isn't going to sue Mike Riley. Period.
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