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Post by kersting13 on Feb 14, 2018 9:28:55 GMT -8
Kind of interesting that while they mention that TV matters, they don't hit on a huge part of the puzzle: It isn't just the value. it isn't just that watching on TV is cheaper, it is that games times set for TV are not good for in person watching. 7PM kick off on a thursday? get the effe outta here, I got a job man! 10AM? come on man. 7:30? even on a Saturday night, you are at the game until midnight, then you have to drive home. TV made it easy to see at those times, but it is not easy to go to a game at those times. 7pm Saturday games are great for anyone with kids who play fall sports. Those are the EASIEST ones for me to make, and I don't think there has ever been a 10AM start time for a game at Reser/Parker.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 14, 2018 9:54:03 GMT -8
Kind of interesting that while they mention that TV matters, they don't hit on a huge part of the puzzle: It isn't just the value. it isn't just that watching on TV is cheaper, it is that games times set for TV are not good for in person watching. 7PM kick off on a thursday? get the effe outta here, I got a job man! 10AM? come on man. 7:30? even on a Saturday night, you are at the game until midnight, then you have to drive home. TV made it easy to see at those times, but it is not easy to go to a game at those times. 7pm Saturday games are great for anyone with kids who play fall sports. Those are the EASIEST ones for me to make, and I don't think there has ever been a 10AM start time for a game at Reser/Parker. "7pm Saturday games are great for anyone with kids" Depends on where you live. Not great for us (anyone). Not good for parents, or kids for that matter to get home at 3 am.
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Post by messi on Feb 14, 2018 9:58:31 GMT -8
Is the 15 Pac-12 Championships by 2023 an accumulation or a 5-year goal? If the later, I'm trying to guess who would deliver. Baseball and women's basketball are easy guesses, but who else do you see reaching the top in the next five years?
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Post by orangeattack on Feb 14, 2018 10:31:09 GMT -8
Hmm, as I look around OSU's athletic plant it's almost 100 percent different than 15 years ago, before Reser upgrades, Goss expansion, the Truax Center, the Valley Sports Performance Center, the hoops practice center, the upgraded practice fields, the track, the new softball stadium, new lower bowl at Gill, totally redone Valley Center, athletic academic center, Sam Sports Medicine Center ... Looks to my untrained eye as if we've been do'in quite a bit. All true, if I'm not mistaken most of those improvements we're from the BDC plan from 15 years ago... Why announce that you made plans to make a plan when there's no substance to it? Gotta get the stadium done; biggest eyesore for the biggest money sport on campus - it's costing us long-term imho... Truax was completed in 2001 and was a Mitch Barnhardt/Dennis Erickson effort. I'm not sure that I agree the track addition was a good addition by the way. Spending that money instead of finishing the stadium and funding track instead of football was a backwards step IMO
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 14, 2018 10:39:17 GMT -8
Reser plan has been in place for the last 15 years... The plans for the east side of Reser Stadium have changed substantially during that span as ideas for paying for it (including a retail outlet, athletic department offices, a dorm aspect, etc) have been floated to help pay for what will be the most expensive capital project in school history. It was never going to be an identical copy of the east side. And no money ticketed for football is being diverted to the track/cross country program, the addition of which was necessary to maintain Title IX compliance in an era when OSU's female undergraduate population increased significantly, changing OSU's male-female demographic from 60-40 to the current 51-49.
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Post by nforkbeav on Feb 14, 2018 11:10:28 GMT -8
I like it and think future prospective recruits and their families will like it too.
Finishing Reser seems to be a high priority in some fans minds, but I don't get why from a logical perspective. It's a huge expense with no return I see other than "it looks good" on the six days a year there's a game in it and it just sits there the other 359 days depreciating.
Creating demand for seats is a much, much, much higher priority. A new side with higher ticket prices will likely chase some away not increase demand. Outside of aesthetics, the only tangible benefit I cans see finishing Reser would have on our competitiveness, is MAYBE just maybe seeing a project through like that would show some determination and align a lot of camps within Beaver Nation to join forces to a common goal which would spill over to on field success? Maybe.
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 14, 2018 11:29:15 GMT -8
7pm Saturday games are great for anyone with kids who play fall sports. Those are the EASIEST ones for me to make, and I don't think there has ever been a 10AM start time for a game at Reser/Parker. "7pm Saturday games are great for anyone with kids" Depends on where you live. Not great for us (anyone). Not good for parents, or kids for that matter to get home at 3 am. You should feel lucky you don't live on the East coast. Even the early games start late. My kids don't have any trouble sleeping in the car - but if you're a 4 hour drive from Corvallis, there isn't ANY start time that's gonna work great for you.
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Post by obf on Feb 14, 2018 11:36:39 GMT -8
Huh... I am kind of surprised by the responses to this. I guess I shouldn't be, but I am. This is the most comprehensive and thorough plan I have ever seen from an athletic department, maybe previous regimes have had plans this well thought out, complete and voluminous, but they were never made public (which lends accountability). And it is met with mehs, complaints and negativity? Seems odd... I for one an HIGHLY encouraged by the thought and care our first year AD is putting into his job. Maybe you all just haven't been in a corporate setting in a while, just the creation of a plan like the one they released is a HUGE undertaking... Not to mention the buy in from all the stakeholders and the digital presentation. Sure, they could fail to achieve all those goals, but it won't be for lack of trying. Sure this can all just be platitudes and a smokescreen... for... wait would be the point of that again? And why spend an immense amount of time and money on platitudes? Sure there is plenty in there that is the corporate version of "coach speak", but believe it or not these things actually DO achieve results in "the real world" and in sports too, we decry coach speak when it seems obvious, trite and dishonest, but no one mentions it when it is true or achieves the intended outcome... Oh well, you guys enjoy your negative nellyness I am going to smile and enjoy being a pollyanna Go Beavs and Go Barnes!
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 14, 2018 11:58:04 GMT -8
All true, if I'm not mistaken most of those improvements we're from the BDC plan from 15 years ago... Why announce that you made plans to make a plan when there's no substance to it? Gotta get the stadium done; biggest eyesore for the biggest money sport on campus - it's costing us long-term imho... Truax was completed in 2001 and was a Mitch Barnhardt/Dennis Erickson effort. I'm not sure that I agree the track addition was a good addition by the way. Spending that money instead of finishing the stadium and funding track instead of football was a backwards step IMO I disagree. First, relatively speaking Track is dirt cheap. Second, we spent money donated for the cause on track. we did not divert money that otherwise would of gone to Football. Dick Fosbury himself really lead the charge... In fact, the lack of overall AD support is probably why the track is stuck in phase 1, with no amenities, and the $5 million endowment for a Men's program has not happened. OSU was suppose to host the Pac-12 championships this past year... but we couldn't get our s%#t together so it was taken from us. lastly, a WHOLE lotta elite football prospects are elite track prospects. Lets not forget James Rodgers, Wheaton and Cooks all did club track for us at one point. Devon Allen from Oregon, of course. The pac-12 is littered with track stars that are football players. football stars that are track stars, and sometimes guys that are both, like Adoree Jackson from USC who won the Pac-12 long jump title. and is now a Tennessee Titan. If you want to compete with the big boys, you have to offer what the big boys offer. 10 of 12 Pac-12 schools have Men's track. only OSU and Utah do not.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2018 12:22:47 GMT -8
All true, if I'm not mistaken most of those improvements we're from the BDC plan from 15 years ago... Why announce that you made plans to make a plan when there's no substance to it? Gotta get the stadium done; biggest eyesore for the biggest money sport on campus - it's costing us long-term imho... Truax was completed in 2001 and was a Mitch Barnhardt/Dennis Erickson effort. I'm not sure that I agree the track addition was a good addition by the way. Spending that money instead of finishing the stadium and funding track instead of football was a backwards step IMO Track and field is a way for the speedsters to keep training in the off-season. If we could get a legitimate mens' track and field team back, it would really give football a shot in the arm, because Oregon State would have access to more fast human beings walking around campus on a daily basis. Only Oregon State and Utah do not have mens' track and field programs. Any tweener athletes, who are looking for a school that has both a football team and a track and field team routinely go elsewhere. Finally, with the Beavers' tremendous contribution to the sport, it is pretty much inexcusable that Oregon State does not sponsor the program.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2018 12:35:58 GMT -8
Truax was completed in 2001 and was a Mitch Barnhardt/Dennis Erickson effort. I'm not sure that I agree the track addition was a good addition by the way. Spending that money instead of finishing the stadium and funding track instead of football was a backwards step IMO I disagree. First, relatively speaking Track is dirt cheap. Second, we spent money donated for the cause on track. we did not divert money that otherwise would of gone to Football. Dick Fosbury himself really lead the charge... In fact, the lack of overall AD support is probably why the track is stuck in phase 1, with no amenities, and the $5 million endowment for a Men's program has not happened. OSU was suppose to host the Pac-12 championships this past year... but we couldn't get our s%#t together so it was taken from us. lastly, a WHOLE lotta elite football prospects are elite track prospects. Lets not forget James Rodgers, Wheaton and Cooks all did club track for us at one point. Devon Allen from Oregon, of course. The pac-12 is littered with track stars that are football players. football stars that are track stars, and sometimes guys that are both, like Adoree Jackson from USC who won the Pac-12 long jump title. and is now a Tennessee Titan. If you want to compete with the big boys, you have to offer what the big boys offer. 10 of 12 Pac-12 schools have Men's track. only OSU and Utah do not. Great post! I wish I had seen it before I took the time to post. The video that I posted features Brandin Cooks, Keynan Parker, and Marcus Wheaton the Spring before the 2012 season began. Cooks just played in the Super Bowl. Keynan Parker graduated and transferred to Simon Fraser. Parker is still playing in the CFL for the BC Lions. Wheaton is playing for the Bears.
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 14, 2018 13:00:42 GMT -8
Ouch. That statement resulted in some PTSD-symptoms for me. Can we figure out a differen phrase to use here when alluding to the need to be patient and support leadership? 😩
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Post by ostate on Feb 14, 2018 13:14:52 GMT -8
Truax was completed in 2001 and was a Mitch Barnhardt/Dennis Erickson effort. I'm not sure that I agree the track addition was a good addition by the way. Spending that money instead of finishing the stadium and funding track instead of football was a backwards step IMO I disagree. First, relatively speaking Track is dirt cheap. Second, we spent money donated for the cause on track. we did not divert money that otherwise would of gone to Football. Dick Fosbury himself really lead the charge... In fact, the lack of overall AD support is probably why the track is stuck in phase 1, with no amenities, and the $5 million endowment for a Men's program has not happened. OSU was suppose to host the Pac-12 championships this past year... but we couldn't get our s%#t together so it was taken from us. lastly, a WHOLE lotta elite football prospects are elite track prospects. Lets not forget James Rodgers, Wheaton and Cooks all did club track for us at one point. Devon Allen from Oregon, of course. The pac-12 is littered with track stars that are football players. football stars that are track stars, and sometimes guys that are both, like Adoree Jackson from USC who won the Pac-12 long jump title. and is now a Tennessee Titan. If you want to compete with the big boys, you have to offer what the big boys offer. 10 of 12 Pac-12 schools have Men's track. only OSU and Utah do not. If we start a men's track team we will be out of Title IX compliance...
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2018 13:35:28 GMT -8
All true, if I'm not mistaken most of those improvements we're from the BDC plan from 15 years ago... Why announce that you made plans to make a plan when there's no substance to it? Gotta get the stadium done; biggest eyesore for the biggest money sport on campus - it's costing us long-term imho... This isn't going to help the narrative - I agree that Reser needs to be finished, but it appears that us having less seating, more premium seating, than tosdtr at the landfill, might actually be a plus going forward - see link below: www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-heads-in-wrong-direction-with-largest-attendance-drop-in-34-years/The drop was 472/game in the Pac-12. Oregon State's drop was 4,283/game, which accounts for more than two-thirds of the Pac-12's 2016-2017 drop. A second source of a drop in attendance is that three more Pac-12 teams played in bowls in 2017 than in 2016: the Las Vegas, Zaxby's Heart of Dallas, and Motel 6 Cactus Bowls. Those three games accounted for a drop of 59,005 in average attendance, accounting for approximately 388/game, more than 80% of the Pac-12's drop. Another source of a drop in attendance is that the Pac-12 traded the CFP Semifinal and Rose Bowl berths in 2016 for the Cotton and Fiesta Bowl berths in 2017. Those two games account for more than 60% of the Pac-12's drop. If you disregard the increase in the number of bowls, you disregard the downgrade of bowls by the top two teams, and you remove Oregon State's 4,283/game drop, the Pac-12's attendance increased by 555/game between 2016 and 2017, more than seven times the increase of the Big Ten (the conference that showed the highest increase between 2016 and 2017) between 2016 and 2017.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 14, 2018 13:41:19 GMT -8
"7pm Saturday games are great for anyone with kids" Depends on where you live. Not great for us (anyone). Not good for parents, or kids for that matter to get home at 3 am. You should feel lucky you don't live on the East coast. Even the early games start late. My kids don't have any trouble sleeping in the car - but if you're a 4 hour drive from Corvallis, there isn't ANY start time that's gonna work great for you. Believe me, I feel very lucky that I don't live on the East coast! Actually, we've been able to make the games work pretty well through many seasons of sports. In fact, we chose a youth football league that played the games on Sunday to avoid missing games. Now the football player is in high school so it's Friday nights. The other two are swimmers, and there's never really any good times for that!
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