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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2018 13:52:47 GMT -8
I disagree. First, relatively speaking Track is dirt cheap. Second, we spent money donated for the cause on track. we did not divert money that otherwise would of gone to Football. Dick Fosbury himself really lead the charge... In fact, the lack of overall AD support is probably why the track is stuck in phase 1, with no amenities, and the $5 million endowment for a Men's program has not happened. OSU was suppose to host the Pac-12 championships this past year... but we couldn't get our s%#t together so it was taken from us. lastly, a WHOLE lotta elite football prospects are elite track prospects. Lets not forget James Rodgers, Wheaton and Cooks all did club track for us at one point. Devon Allen from Oregon, of course. The pac-12 is littered with track stars that are football players. football stars that are track stars, and sometimes guys that are both, like Adoree Jackson from USC who won the Pac-12 long jump title. and is now a Tennessee Titan. If you want to compete with the big boys, you have to offer what the big boys offer. 10 of 12 Pac-12 schools have Men's track. only OSU and Utah do not. If we start a men's track team we will be out of Title IX compliance... Unless Oregon State has started to offer rowing scholarships that appears to be untrue (or I am getting bad numbers with regards to the men:women breakdown and/or the number of womens' scholarships Oregon State provides). The Beavers could add both mens' cross-country and track-and-field and still meet Title IX.
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Post by orangeattack on Feb 14, 2018 13:59:32 GMT -8
I disagree. First, relatively speaking Track is dirt cheap. Second, we spent money donated for the cause on track. we did not divert money that otherwise would of gone to Football. Dick Fosbury himself really lead the charge... In fact, the lack of overall AD support is probably why the track is stuck in phase 1, with no amenities, and the $5 million endowment for a Men's program has not happened. OSU was suppose to host the Pac-12 championships this past year... but we couldn't get our s%#t together so it was taken from us. lastly, a WHOLE lotta elite football prospects are elite track prospects. Lets not forget James Rodgers, Wheaton and Cooks all did club track for us at one point. Devon Allen from Oregon, of course. The pac-12 is littered with track stars that are football players. football stars that are track stars, and sometimes guys that are both, like Adoree Jackson from USC who won the Pac-12 long jump title. and is now a Tennessee Titan. If you want to compete with the big boys, you have to offer what the big boys offer. 10 of 12 Pac-12 schools have Men's track. only OSU and Utah do not. If we start a men's track team we will be out of Title IX compliance... We would have to expand women's track or add another program. I'm not anti-track by any stretch, but the reality is that a smaller piece of the pie goes to football at Oregon State than their relative peers.
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 14, 2018 14:10:31 GMT -8
If we start a men's track team we will be out of Title IX compliance... We would have to expand women's track or add another program. I'm not anti-track by any stretch, but the reality is that a smaller piece of the pie goes to football at Oregon State than their relative peers. Which is a problem, but I would never in a million years support fixing that problem by eliminating opportunities in another place. I would be ashamed of my university if we cut a program or two in an effort to bolster Football dollars. while I understand our lack of support harms the product on the field, I am actually proud of Oregon State's support of non-revenue sports. I would like to see more, not less, opportunity. Football needs to to help itself a little bit. (all sports do!) A winning team will put fans in the stands. Fans in the stands means you can increase ticket prices over time, fans in the stands buy hot dogs and licensed apparel. A winning team means more people want to advertise in your stadium. A winning team means Nike (or Adidas, as I am super anti-Nike right now) offers better contracts to you. And winning opens up donor pocket books. While baseball doesn't cover its costs, it is stunning what it pulls in, given the relative footprint of baseball in the PNW and relative to our peers. We ain't the south where baseball is as American as, well, itself. It is stunning the stadium we built and the advertising we get and the deals we have, and the attendance we have relative to most of our Pac-12 peers. This was built on a winning team. and WINNING kick started giving. Baseball is the model we should hope football follows. A strong leader, built a strong team, a strong team motivated donors gave money, improved facilities attracted recruits which fed the winning. More of that... Less of hiring over priced nut jobs that were apparently not qualified to coach pop warner.
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 14, 2018 14:12:01 GMT -8
If we start a men's track team we will be out of Title IX compliance... Unless Oregon State has started to offer rowing scholarships that appears to be untrue (or I am getting bad numbers with regards to the men:women breakdown and/or the number of womens' scholarships Oregon State provides). The Beavers could add both mens' cross-country and track-and-field and still meet Title IX. As far as I know, the intent to start Men's track still exists. It took a blow with the loss of Sullivan whom was a huge champion of getting improvements made. We have a beautiful track. we just do not have an actual facility around it. Some rich person that likes fast people needs to donate some money.
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Post by ostate on Feb 14, 2018 14:38:48 GMT -8
If we start a men's track team we will be out of Title IX compliance... Unless Oregon State has started to offer rowing scholarships that appears to be untrue (or I am getting bad numbers with regards to the men:women breakdown and/or the number of womens' scholarships Oregon State provides). The Beavers could add both mens' cross-country and track-and-field and still meet Title IX. Your getting bad numbers...
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 14, 2018 15:25:38 GMT -8
Unless Oregon State has started to offer rowing scholarships that appears to be untrue (or I am getting bad numbers with regards to the men:women breakdown and/or the number of womens' scholarships Oregon State provides). The Beavers could add both mens' cross-country and track-and-field and still meet Title IX. Your getting bad numbers... Last time I saw a count, I believe we were at Men scholarships: 269 and Women scholarships: 276. i am not sure how accurate that still is. Of course, there is a little bit more to it than straight schollie count. practice time, travel time, per diems, equipment and apparell and all that generally needs equal dollars too. But on the surface. it seems like there is *potentially* room to offer 7 track scholarships to Men. the NCAA maximum limit is 12.6 for track and cross country combined. Alternately, the maximum limit for women's track and X country is 18. Generally speaking, when there is a sport that has a men's and women's version (like most sports) women get more scholarships than men, to make up for the 800lb gorilla that is football. As a note on rowing, schools are not allowed to offer men's rowing scholarships from what I can see. women are allowed 20 by NCAA limits.
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 14, 2018 16:32:57 GMT -8
Your getting bad numbers... Last time I saw a count, I believe we were at Men scholarships: 269 and Women scholarships: 276. i am not sure how accurate that still is. Of course, there is a little bit more to it than straight schollie count. practice time, travel time, per diems, equipment and apparell and all that generally needs equal dollars too. But on the surface. it seems like there is *potentially* room to offer 7 track scholarships to Men. the NCAA maximum limit is 12.6 for track and cross country combined. Alternately, the maximum limit for women's track and X country is 18. Generally speaking, when there is a sport that has a men's and women's version (like most sports) women get more scholarships than men, to make up for the 800lb gorilla that is football. As a note on rowing, schools are not allowed to offer men's rowing scholarships from what I can see. women are allowed 20 by NCAA limits. Men's rowing is not an NCAA sport is it governed by either the Intercollegiate Rowing Association (IRA) or the American Collegiate Rowing Association (ACRA).
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 14, 2018 16:45:02 GMT -8
Truax was completed in 2001 and was a Mitch Barnhardt/Dennis Erickson effort. I'm not sure that I agree the track addition was a good addition by the way. Spending that money instead of finishing the stadium and funding track instead of football was a backwards step IMO I disagree. First, relatively speaking Track is dirt cheap. Second, we spent money donated for the cause on track. we did not divert money that otherwise would of gone to Football. Dick Fosbury himself really lead the charge... In fact, the lack of overall AD support is probably why the track is stuck in phase 1, with no amenities, and the $5 million endowment for a Men's program has not happened. OSU was suppose to host the Pac-12 championships this past year... but we couldn't get our s%#t together so it was taken from us. lastly, a WHOLE lotta elite football prospects are elite track prospects. Lets not forget James Rodgers, Wheaton and Cooks all did club track for us at one point. Devon Allen from Oregon, of course. The pac-12 is littered with track stars that are football players. football stars that are track stars, and sometimes guys that are both, like Adoree Jackson from USC who won the Pac-12 long jump title. and is now a Tennessee Titan. If you want to compete with the big boys, you have to offer what the big boys offer. 10 of 12 Pac-12 schools have Men's track. only OSU and Utah do not. Remember, the last Track and Field all-American at OSU was Jordan Bishop, in 2010 in the high jump
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 14, 2018 17:07:50 GMT -8
They had me at Objective 1.1 Strategy A - "develop a holistic rubric" Man, I'm all in! haha I read that like 4 times
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 14, 2018 17:09:33 GMT -8
All I know is next time I need to write a business plan, I'm cutting and pasting about 75% of that holistic rubric from BTD and add a few charts and pie graphs
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 14, 2018 17:10:06 GMT -8
As a note on rowing, schools are not allowed to offer men's rowing scholarships from what I can see. women are allowed 20 by NCAA limits. Men's rowing is not an NCAA sport is it governed by either the Intercollegiate Rowing Association (IRA) or the American Collegiate Rowing Association (ACRA). And Title IX is a federal regulation, not an NCAA rule. For a sport to qualify, it is not necessary to be NCAA sanctioned, but the quality of competition must be comparable to an NCAA sport. (The UO tested this by trying to count cheerleading as a sport, but a court ruled that with just six or so schools competing and only one other Div IA school among them, it was not equal to, say, football.) Not that is really matters. Men's Crew will never be a scholarship sport for as long as Title IX exists.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 14, 2018 17:12:06 GMT -8
Laura Carlyle was an All-American in 2011 and 2012, I believe.
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Post by ag87 on Feb 14, 2018 19:00:18 GMT -8
Laura Carlyle was an All-American in 2011 and 2012, I believe. I'm not positive, but I think Laura was All-American Honorable Mention. Going from memory, places 1-8 are AA, and 9-16 are HM. My knowledge about Kelly Sullivan is about a 5 on a scale of 1-100. But saying that I'm glad we made the change. Kelly is an extremely nice man, but (with the exception of Laura Carlyle) every athlete who was determined to make national teams, get shoe contracts, etc transferred. The culture at OSU did not push towards excellence. Louie Quintana at ASU had three (that I can think of) either make the Olympic team or the last World championship team. And it easier to recruit distance athletes here than Tempe. The recruits coming in next year are our best group of high school athletes we've had since the program returned. Grace Fetherstonhaugh from British Colombia ran a 4:31 and 9:33 1500 and 3000 her junior year. That's the type of high school recruit who can come in and compete for All-American status and has a chance to run down the all-world recruits from tsdtr. And on a separate subject, if a women's sport needs to be added, I hope we at least look at something related with horses (barrel racing, show jumping, ?). I know they are not NCAA sports but they don't have to be. I've always wanted a few quarterhorses to lead the charge of the football team onto the field.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2018 21:11:06 GMT -8
Your getting bad numbers... Last time I saw a count, I believe we were at Men scholarships: 269 and Women scholarships: 276. i am not sure how accurate that still is. Of course, there is a little bit more to it than straight schollie count. practice time, travel time, per diems, equipment and apparell and all that generally needs equal dollars too. But on the surface. it seems like there is *potentially* room to offer 7 track scholarships to Men. the NCAA maximum limit is 12.6 for track and cross country combined. Alternately, the maximum limit for women's track and X country is 18. Generally speaking, when there is a sport that has a men's and women's version (like most sports) women get more scholarships than men, to make up for the 800lb gorilla that is football. As a note on rowing, schools are not allowed to offer men's rowing scholarships from what I can see. women are allowed 20 by NCAA limits. I was coming up with similar numbers. But (and correct me if I am wrong) Oregon State is allowed to offer more scholarships for men than women, because the school is 53% male. By my count, Oregon State could add full cross country and track and field teams for the men and still comply with Title IX. There may be a money issue with adding those teams, but, at least with my napkin math, there is no Title IX issue.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 14, 2018 21:17:04 GMT -8
All I know is next time I need to write a business plan, I'm cutting and pasting about 75% of that holistic rubric from BTD and add a few charts and pie graphs Or a few graphs and pie charts, whatever works!
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