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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 20, 2019 13:50:26 GMT -8
I'll only disagree with the latter. Common sense and very little sleuthing showed it was never going to be a great hire, leery alone a HR. GAG had issues at every level of human/ player interactions and relationships. The abrupt departure of MR and initial excitement of a big time P5 coach's interest lead those in power to overlook or completely ignore(?) obvious signs of big problems. A more thorough yet very simple investigation of those surrounding the program should, would have, shown huge red flags. The GAG hire was a complete fiasco from the start, and a breakdown in the trust of leadership to run this "ship". 20/200 hindsight. I’d love to see any/all of your critical posts on the GA hire from around the time of the announcement. You're obviously clueless and or new. I was berated from almost the start for my dislike of the hire and posting unsolicited "insider" info while on vaca in the Caribbean. But, way to chime in and show your knowledge base! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 20, 2019 14:33:59 GMT -8
20/200 hindsight. I’d love to see any/all of your critical posts on the GA hire from around the time of the announcement. You're obviously clueless and or new. I was berated from almost the start for my dislike of the hire and posting unsolicited "insider" info while on vaca in the Caribbean. But, way to chime in and show your knowledge base! Links? |
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Post by seastape on Jul 20, 2019 16:31:25 GMT -8
I'll only disagree with the latter. Common sense and very little sleuthing showed it was never going to be a great hire, leery alone a HR. GAG had issues at every level of human/ player interactions and relationships. The abrupt departure of MR and initial excitement of a big time P5 coach's interest lead those in power to overlook or completely ignore(?) obvious signs of big problems. A more thorough yet very simple investigation of those surrounding the program should, would have, shown huge red flags. The GAG hire was a complete fiasco from the start, and a breakdown in the trust of leadership to run this "ship". 20/200 hindsight. I’d love to see any/all of your critical posts on the GA hire from around the time of the announcement. I 'll admit to thinking it was a pretty good hire with the one caveat tied to the 59-0 pasting at the hands of Ohio State in the Big Ten championship game, GAG's last game at Wiscansin. That gave me a little pause but I still thought it was a fluke. GAG's experience at other places, especially at USU where he seemed to really elevate the program, gave me high hopes in the end and I think the outcome as compared to the high hopes are one of the things that really turned me off. But what made me actually seethe about that a.h. is how he went about things at OSU with such hubris...the arrogance of the man made things even worse. What a POS. I will never forget or forgive how he just dropped our program from decency to the absolute sewer in one fell swoop. Worst hire I've seen at OSU since I came to school in 1986 with only Lavonda Wagner giving him a run for his money. |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jul 20, 2019 16:55:53 GMT -8
20/200 hindsight. I’d love to see any/all of your critical posts on the GA hire from around the time of the announcement. I 'll admit to thinking it was a pretty good hire with the one caveat tied to the 59-0 pasting at the hands of Ohio State in the Big Ten championship game, GAG's last game at Wiscansin. That gave me a little pause but I still thought it was a fluke. GAG's experience at other places, especially at USU where he seemed to really elevate the program, gave me high hopes in the end and I think the outcome as compared to the high hopes are one of the things that really turned me off. But what made me actually seethe about that a.h. is how he went about things at OSU with such hubris...the arrogance of the man made things even worse. What a POS. I will never forget or forgive how he just dropped our program from decency to the absolute sewer in one fell swoop. Worst hire I've seen at OSU since I came to school in 1986 with only Lavonda Wagner giving him a run for his money. Joe Avocado was in same league prior.... |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jul 20, 2019 16:58:27 GMT -8
Where is Mike Riley ??....... Dee would like to know.... coaching Seattle experimental football league or whatever it's called. He will not be doing anything with beaver football season, per Kerry Eggers. Can we close this topic now? Just response to where is mike Riley question. I know he is in Seattle for that next failed football experiment. It’s just that I know Dee.... and she often wonders where he is at. It was tongue in cheek. |
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Post by irimi on Jul 21, 2019 11:00:25 GMT -8
One thing we can agree on... I like Smith as a coach, not as a head coach. There are things that count in CFB that are way important than 'Coming Home'. To me, that is like saying - we couldn't hire a proven commodity, so we went with 'an experiment'. Would have been a better approach to hire an SEC PHENOM ( young assistant ). I am still staying away ffrom Reser as others have noted - it is too much time wasted to go through anticipation, to disappointment , to anger, then to total despair - every frickin' weekend. . A. We were not in a position to hire a proven commodity. Little doubt about that. We needed to find a young up-and-comer to put our hopes in. JS fit that bill best. B. Dude, you need to relax. Why get all bothered and upset about a football GAME? Does the win or loss have a direct impact upon your life? It's entertainment. If all you care about is the score at the end of the game, then you haven't been a Beaver very long. |
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Post by shelby on Jul 21, 2019 13:40:21 GMT -8
A) Seems to me that Ed Ray said quite the opposite - and we had just escaped Andersen's contract.
B) Dude - if Beaver football qualifies as 'entertainment' for you - I can assume that you also get great enjoyment out of Barry Manilow concerts.
It is really quite simple - My definition of entertainment is investing my time and money into something that I enjoy.
I don"t plan summer vacations around availability of hotels / motels in Ontario, Oregon.
So, I won't project my preferences on others , and you can better understand how others may have a different approach to what else is available.
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Post by nexus73 on Jul 21, 2019 14:43:51 GMT -8
20/200 hindsight. I’d love to see any/all of your critical posts on the GA hire from around the time of the announcement. I 'll admit to thinking it was a pretty good hire with the one caveat tied to the 59-0 pasting at the hands of Ohio State in the Big Ten championship game, GAG's last game at Wiscansin. That gave me a little pause but I still thought it was a fluke. GAG's experience at other places, especially at USU where he seemed to really elevate the program, gave me high hopes in the end and I think the outcome as compared to the high hopes are one of the things that really turned me off. But what made me actually seethe about that a.h. is how he went about things at OSU with such hubris...the arrogance of the man made things even worse. What a POS. I will never forget or forgive how he just dropped our program from decency to the absolute sewer in one fell swoop. Worst hire I've seen at OSU since I came to school in 1986 with only Lavonda Wagner giving him a run for his money. When we hired Fertig, I thought we had struck gold. The first home game against a highly rated Kansas team led by Nolan Cromwell was a loss but the game was extremely competitive.
When we hired Avezzano, the talent did not look so great but after coming back from a 28-0 deficit at home vs Fresno State, I thought we would be a team with enough heart to make it a fight every week.
When we hired Kragthorpe, his passing scheme did well with Wilhelm at QB. Talent had improved over Avezzano. We were going to be in the thick of it for sure!
When we hired Pettibone, it sure looked like we could do a turnaround by playing a traditional wishbone so opponents would have a hard time to prepare. QB Ricky Green goes down for the season in the opener vs Portland State, which was a convincing win. "Maybe we will get more wins!" I thought.
Funny to think I always liked The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"...LOL!
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jul 21, 2019 16:35:32 GMT -8
Was at that KU game way back.... SC had the Juice but we had the “wine”.... Jarvis Redwine.... lol.
Unfortunately, as in most cases,we had no OL and he did nothing much.
Then he transferred to Nebraska and ran1,000+.... lol
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Post by irimi on Jul 21, 2019 18:02:13 GMT -8
A) Seems to me that Ed Ray said quite the opposite - and we had just escaped Andersen's contract. B) Dude - if Beaver football qualifies as 'entertainment' for you - I can assume that you also get great enjoyment out of Barry Manilow concerts. It is really quite simple - My definition of entertainment is investing my time and money into something that I enjoy. I don"t plan summer vacations around availability of hotels / motels in Ontario, Oregon. So, I won't project my preferences on others , and you can better understand how others may have a different approach to what else is available. Really? I don't believe any respectable football coach would look at coming to Corvallis to work in a program with such a history of losing. No matter what Ed Ray might say. I'm glad that you want to stay away from supporting the Beavers while they struggle with rebuilding who they are and what they represent. It's always easiest to jump back on board when the winning comes back. Look at the Duck fans. They know how to do that. Meanwhile there are kids on the field giving it their all week in and week out. Even in our crappy years with GAG, I sure enjoyed watching Nall run the ball! |
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Post by shelby on Jul 21, 2019 18:54:19 GMT -8
Erickson took a shot at a losing program, he got it done in very quick fashion.
Not ultimately about winning, just competing might be entertaining.
Nothing about the kids and how hard they work, it's the people in charge that are not able
to create and implement a vision for the program.
I would love nothing more than to see positive change for the moneymaking sport.....
I am tired of waiting !
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 21, 2019 19:05:27 GMT -8
Shelby, my issue with some of what you said earlier is the part about him not being head coach material and that we would have been better off picking up an assistant from the SEC.
Im wondering if you had anyone specific in mind or if you think picking up ANY assistant from the SEC would have been a better guarantee of future success?
Jonathan as OC at UW had top 20 scoring teams his final seasons there. 34 and 41.5 points a game beats the heck out of a lot of offenses, even many in the SEC. How can you say other coaches will have more success than he?
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Post by shelby on Jul 21, 2019 19:55:50 GMT -8
The same way that many of you can assume that JS was the right choice.
Erickson ( not a young guy ), was willing to come back - he had two NC's
There were others that threw their names in the hat that, at least, had been successful head coaches before.
I wouldn't mind JS being assistant HC and being groomed - I am not against him getting a shot ...at some time.
The program is in a ditch, they need a quick turnaround or you will lose student and alumni dollars.
No matter what you do in life - you have to invest to earn. I have seen zero evidence that anyone on that campus
Is thinking or 'hiring' with that in mind.
We have lucked out with Casey and Rueck... you are not going to luck out in D1 football. But there appears to be some good young guys, with successful experience, that should have been considered.
Again, I hope to see this 'experiment' succeed, and I hope that will keep JS around for a long time.
I look at WSU and Leach - is that a better situation than OSU ? Should it be ?
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Post by irimi on Jul 22, 2019 7:17:19 GMT -8
The same way that many of you can assume that JS was the right choice. Erickson ( not a young guy ), was willing to come back - he had two NC's There were others that threw their names in the hat that, at least, had been successful head coaches before. I wouldn't mind JS being assistant HC and being groomed - I am not against him getting a shot ...at some time.The program is in a ditch, they need a quick turnaround or you will lose student and alumni dollars. No matter what you do in life - you have to invest to earn. I have seen zero evidence that anyone on that campus Is thinking or 'hiring' with that in mind. We have lucked out with Casey and Rueck... you are not going to luck out in D1 football. But there appears to be some good young guys, with successful experience, that should have been considered. Again, I hope to see this 'experiment' succeed, and I hope that will keep JS around for a long time. I look at WSU and Leach - is that a better situation than OSU ? Should it be ? So what have you seen in the first year that makes you think JS is not the man for the job? Yes, Wazzu is a better situation than OSU. OSU hasn’t been to the Rose Bowl since 1965. Mike Price led the Cougars to two Rose Bowl appearances in the late 90s and early 00s and that was back when the Rose Bowl meant something. I’m curious as to who you think is the right man for the job. Would you name a couple? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 22, 2019 7:39:37 GMT -8
Erickson was a gift. He was freshly fired, at a time few were hiring (most coaching changes are made well before LOI day, not after), and he was being paid big money by the Seahawks and came in willing to be one of the lower paid, if not the lowest paid, coaches in the league. You can’t compare his hire against ANY hire of an established coach we could have realistically made this time around. It’s tough to take anyone who throws out the Erickson hire as an example of what we can do seriously.
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