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Post by nabeav on Jul 22, 2019 12:47:44 GMT -8
@werebeaver, FWIW (and no I am not willing to dig up 4 year old links) I distinctly remember thinking baseba1111 was a nimrod for not liking the GAG hire He wasn't the only one skeptical of that "Home run hire" where we "Stole a head coach from a top 10 team!". I'll admit that I was fully bamboozled, I thought it was a good hire. I can't think of any hire in any sport where we hired a BETTER TEAMS head coach away from them... Anyway, I can affirm that baseba1111 saw through it. I think nabeav was also early to the skepticism? Maybe atownbeaver as well? Edit: Nice work, nabeav , going back and finding some links! I certainly didn't want to slog through any of that drek I didn't start as a Gary Andersen hater. I was just more of a Riley defender, because I thought it was insane that fans hated this guy who won more games than he lost, was by all accounts a good and decent guy, and ran a program that made the fans feel like part of the family. But the more I compared the two, the more I realized that the better coach was the one who left, not the one coming in who was making twice as much money. I really, really, really, tried to give GA the benefit of the doubt, and I still think that had we not hired him and it came out that the coach of a top 25 team that had just played in its conference championship game wanted to come to OSU and we said no, there would've been riots on the streets of Corvallis. It was a hire that HAD to be made. But as soon as the "players are sabotaging our really really good gameplans" and the QB shuffling and the bizarre injuries/illnesses that never really made sense (didn't one guy allegedly have mono but was photographed at the children's hospital hanging out with sick kids?), the incomprehensible press conferences, the "55 guys on the bus" farce, the constant position switches...yeah I soured real quick towards the end of year one.
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Post by orangeattack on Jul 22, 2019 12:53:44 GMT -8
How about a shot at Chip Kelly? Too late now - but ? Think outside the box once in a blue moon. We always go predictable and cheap. It had worked ( amazingly in baseball and How about Dabo Sweeney ? Guys like that before everybody else knows about them. Seems to me, we hire a search firm (@$250K ), and we end up driving to Seattle to hire an ex Beaver footballer ( great one at that ), but with no head coaching experience. I will also say that credit can not be passed around to staff coaches. That is Chris Peterson. Where did someone dig Chip up ? Can’t we do the same type of ‘coach search ‘. Apparently not. Many people seem to be happy with all of this soft thinking and are willing to get excited about the possibilities. All I am saying is that we remain where we are because we have zero internal or external forces to go where we can. Like running a Company into the ground because no one can move off the ‘old school’ thinking. In other words, you HAVE NO NAMES, that you would have actually liked to hire instead of Smith. You were asked for specific names that were around and avalible that were better than Smith that would have come to Corvallis, and you say Chip Kelly (surely you jest) and someone "like Dabo Swinney"?!?!?! Chip Kelly was never going to be accepted here, and it's not like he has had success anywhere other than Niketown, and the OSU parllels to Dabo would be Cory Hall (Dabo stepped in as interim HC after Tommy Bowden "retired") or, and how is this for irony, JONATHAN SMITH. Dabo played at Alabama with less sucess than JS, and then stuck to the SEC and worked his way up teh coaching ladders at bama and the Clemson, he was HOME GROWN, he was not some hot shot coordinator from another conference, he wasn't a big hire, he basically fell into the iterim HC role, and then they decided to keep him, iow, no "national search" at all... he wasn't ever the HC in waiting either, I am not a big SEC follower, but his hiring as the full time HC was met with a collective shrug, IIRC. Having watched a plethora of college and pro teams hire hotshots, and up and comers and big names and small names and unknowns and coordinators and comentators, etc, etc, etc. The one thread I see in it all is..... It is mostly a crap shoot, and time, place, situation, and a million other factors weigh way more heavily than the name or pedigree of the person hired. IMHO, Jonathan Smith IS the hot young coordinator that you are lusting for, with all the right connections, temperment, etc. to be successful in Corvallis, but because it FEELS like a ho hum hire (I guess because he is a former Beaver?) that you can't see that forrest for the trees. But, whatever, enjoy your couch.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 22, 2019 13:13:00 GMT -8
Edit: Nice work, nabeav , going back and finding some links! I certainly didn't want to slog through any of that drek Also, some of that drek is great - I particularly got a kick of this response to a Riley vs. Andersen thread in 2015:
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 22, 2019 13:26:36 GMT -8
Has anyone seen Mr. Garibaldi?
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Post by maximumbeaver on Jul 22, 2019 13:45:25 GMT -8
One thing we can agree on... I like Smith as a coach, not as a head coach. There are things that count in CFB that are way important than 'Coming Home'. To me, that is like saying - we couldn't hire a proven commodity, so we went with 'an experiment'. Would have been a better approach to hire an SEC PHENOM ( young assistant ). I am still staying away ffrom Reser as others have noted - it is too much time wasted to go through anticipation, to disappointment , to anger, then to total despair - every frickin' weekend. . We’ve tried that already. Joe Avezanno. Throwing in the towel after 1 year under JS? Wow!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 14:32:18 GMT -8
@werebeaver, FWIW (and no I am not willing to dig up 4 year old links) I distinctly remember thinking baseba1111 was a nimrod for not liking the GAG hire He wasn't the only one skeptical of that "Home run hire" where we "Stole a head coach from a top 10 team!". I'll admit that I was fully bamboozled, I thought it was a good hire. I can't think of any hire in any sport where we hired a BETTER TEAMS head coach away from them... Anyway, I can affirm that baseba1111 saw through it. I think nabeav was also early to the skepticism? Maybe atownbeaver as well? Edit: Nice work, nabeav, going back and finding some links! I certainly didn't want to slog through any of that drek Yes but you have to remember Bb11 is an OS cynic by trade. Not criticizing but that is his angle of pursuit. That's why GAG pinged his BS radar before most of us. He has his bullsh!t detection set to high.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 14:45:00 GMT -8
The failed coaching stockpile is littered with Chip Kelly stories that didn't pan out. For every Chipper there are a ton of failures. Chipper was coaching at New Hampshire for 10 years (10 years!) before someone noticed him. And he was never a head coach. Face it, the Ducks got lucky and with the combination of he, Uncle Phil, and a few athletic qb's that really fit his system, not to mention catching lightning in a bottle in Mariota. Nobody on God's Green Earth knows whether Coach Smith will pan out to have the success of CK, or fail like the other 100 in the used coaching bin. Me? I like our chances with him. Thing is, the success bar here right now for this season is 4 or 5 wins, depending on who OS is beating. All the jibber jabber in this thread gets replaced by completely different jibber jabber when that happens.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jul 22, 2019 15:07:54 GMT -8
20/200 hindsight. I’d love to see any/all of your critical posts on the GA hire from around the time of the announcement. Looking back at the earliest posts on this board, this was the first post I could find where someone openly and directly blamed the coaching staff for what was happening. There was some displeasure with performance and someone posted something about it smelling fishy that Sitake and Andersen were hinting at players intentionally screwing up in games, but nothing directly saying they were the problem until this: bennyshouse.com/post/274baseba1111 sounded the alarm fairly soon after that: bennyshouse.com/post/326/threadAnd just to toot my own horn, here's where I predicted that football cratering would lead to the elimination of a sport (which turned out to be Swimming) in November of 2015: bennyshouse.com/post/1443/threadThat post came after a night of tossing and turning, and I finally decided posting my frustration was the only way to get back to sleep. It was a weird transition, not because players left, but because really good players left or looked like they were sent packing, guys who were leaders as well as ballers, normally during transitions the dreck all moves on once they see that there is no hope even under a new regime, but the leavers weren't the dreck at all. Then the bats%#t crazy interview by our new offensive coordinator that was shown on the Pac 12 network as they visited every fall camp. Then the stacks of diet cokes in the window with the offense in total disarray (the stacks of diet reminded me of the gag in 'Airplane' "looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue)" , flip a coin to see who plays QB today! It just all seemed crazy to me. I don't normally ever bang on coaches, but I just lost it, and couldn't take the silence from everyone on this board in the face of a clear disaster. binged.it/2SzLYpN
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Post by shelby on Jul 22, 2019 15:14:29 GMT -8
Agreed - just some frickin’ progress.... I accept all of the comments, as stated above - it’s a free country. If we had the duck schedule - the 5 wins would be realistic. I am not a Cristobal fan - you will see if he can coach this year. With their talent and the average duck fans opinions - they are already building a special sculpture with Phil Knight hugging both of Mario’s insanely large man boobs. It will be actual size ( so I am guessing 42 D’s). The entire sculpture will be supported by a stripper pole. That’s planned only if they really wrap up the Natty.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 22, 2019 18:04:46 GMT -8
Well, you can just enjoy yourselves with whatever floats your boat. I don’t need to put names out there - pay me $250K and I can find someone to help a school that does not seem to have a clue. Dont hold your breath on that happening.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 22, 2019 18:13:53 GMT -8
@werebeaver, FWIW (and no I am not willing to dig up 4 year old links) I distinctly remember thinking baseba1111 was a nimrod for not liking the GAG hire He wasn't the only one skeptical of that "Home run hire" where we "Stole a head coach from a top 10 team!". I'll admit that I was fully bamboozled, I thought it was a good hire. I can't think of any hire in any sport where we hired a BETTER TEAMS head coach away from them... Anyway, I can affirm that baseba1111 saw through it. I think nabeav was also early to the skepticism? Maybe atownbeaver as well? Edit: Nice work, nabeav, going back and finding some links! I certainly didn't want to slog through any of that drek He said that he was against the hire from day one. Not only before the first game was played but before the first practice was held. The link dates to the 7th game of the 2015 season. I don’t see any of his contemporary posts that would support that “day-one” assertion.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jul 22, 2019 18:33:52 GMT -8
@werebeaver, FWIW (and no I am not willing to dig up 4 year old links) I distinctly remember thinking baseba1111 was a nimrod for not liking the GAG hire He wasn't the only one skeptical of that "Home run hire" where we "Stole a head coach from a top 10 team!". I'll admit that I was fully bamboozled, I thought it was a good hire. I can't think of any hire in any sport where we hired a BETTER TEAMS head coach away from them... Anyway, I can affirm that baseba1111 saw through it. I think nabeav was also early to the skepticism? Maybe atownbeaver as well? Edit: Nice work, nabeav , going back and finding some links! I certainly didn't want to slog through any of that drek He said that he was against the hire from day one. Not only before the first game was played but before the first practice was held. The link dates to the 7th game of the 2015 season. I don’t see any of his contemporary posts that would support that “day-one” assertion. Don’t think bennyshouse was around when GAG was hired. I remember posting on pure orange when he was hired. A poster I particularly disliked (stinks) posted thank god Riley is gone, we will never have a blowout with Coach Andersen. I responded with the score of his last game at Wisconsin. I know that was on pure orange because I have never seen that posters handle on bennyshouse. Doubt there is a way to prove or disprove the day one assertion because those posts are long gone.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 22, 2019 22:46:04 GMT -8
Erickson was a gift. He was freshly fired, at a time few were hiring (most coaching changes are made well before LOI day, not after), and he was being paid big money by the Seahawks and came in willing to be one of the lower paid, if not the lowest paid, coaches in the league. You can’t compare his hire against ANY hire of an established coach we could have realistically made this time around. It’s tough to take anyone who throws out the Erickson hire as an example of what we can do seriously. And, the same people that say Riley is a failure/mediocre and praise Erickson for his one great year at OSU never talk about the rest of Erickson's career. Left OSU and failed again in the NFL and then had one good year out of 5 at ASU. It's not like his OSU teams after that 2000 year were anything special either. Outside of following up Jimmy Johnson at Miami and the first 2 seasons after Riley at OSU his career was pretty mediocre. There's no guarantee that any coach regardless of pedigree is going to succeed or maintain that success. Smith's resume is comparable to most of the SEC assistants that would have been available at the time. PLUS... JS has Pac12 knowledge, WC recruiting ties. The biggest fallacy about SEC assists is that they can sway some big time SEC recruits out West. Not happening on a regular basis...
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 22, 2019 22:46:53 GMT -8
The failed coaching stockpile is littered with Chip Kelly stories that didn't pan out. For every Chipper there are a ton of failures. Chipper was coaching at New Hampshire for 10 years (10 years!) before someone noticed him. And he was never a head coach. Face it, the Ducks got lucky and with the combination of he, Uncle Phil, and a few athletic qb's that really fit his system, not to mention catching lightning in a bottle in Mariota. Nobody on God's Green Earth knows whether Coach Smith will pan out to have the success of CK, or fail like the other 100 in the used coaching bin. Me? I like our chances with him. And "willie assistance"...
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 22, 2019 23:03:51 GMT -8
@werebeaver, FWIW (and no I am not willing to dig up 4 year old links) I distinctly remember thinking baseba1111 was a nimrod for not liking the GAG hire He wasn't the only one skeptical of that "Home run hire" where we "Stole a head coach from a top 10 team!". I'll admit that I was fully bamboozled, I thought it was a good hire. I can't think of any hire in any sport where we hired a BETTER TEAMS head coach away from them... Anyway, I can affirm that baseba1111 saw through it. I think nabeav was also early to the skepticism? Maybe atownbeaver as well? Edit: Nice work, nabeav , going back and finding some links! I certainly didn't want to slog through any of that drek He said that he was against the hire from day one. Not only before the first game was played but before the first practice was held. The link dates to the 7th game of the 2015 season. I don’t see any of his contemporary posts that would support that “day-one” assertion. LMAO... "but.... Mom he said..." You ask for links, someone graciously provided. Even another personal recollection is not good enough for your "truth". Of course you need to go to the "day one" quote. Maybe you are a far "leftist" that inhabit the news cycles these days. Seemingly need to continually to find fault with everyone else to salve their need for having no solutions of their own? Or, is biotching just the name of your "game". Hmmmm how many subjective interpretations of "from day one" are there? Like as literal as BC vs AD... sorry wasn't around then? Date of hire? Date I heard the insider news/facts/opinions of Wisky folks? Date I first posted on PO? Benny's? Come on, define it for us As I said before, "new" or "clueless" or both? Now we know... PS- Baseba111... Date Registered: Oct 20, 2015 at 12:04pm Posted only briefly on PO just before it's demise... for those that may have remembered some innocuous posts about my Caribbean vaca where I was wearing Beav hat and was spotted at a beach restaurant by Wisky fans/employees that began the conversation by thanking me for taking Gary off their hands. It went on for enough drinks that none of us were safe to snorkel for quite a while. Bonus points for PO members... can you name the nondescript but awesome island?
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