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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 23, 2019 4:55:05 GMT -8
He said that he was against the hire from day one. Not only before the first game was played but before the first practice was held. The link dates to the 7th game of the 2015 season. I don’t see any of his contemporary posts that would support that “day-one” assertion. LMAO... "but.... Mom he said..." You ask for links, someone graciously provided. Even another personal recollection is not good enough for your "truth". Of course you need to go to the "day one" quote. Maybe you are a far "leftist" that inhabit the news cycles these days. Seemingly need to continually to find fault with everyone else to salve their need for having no solutions of their own? Or, is biotching just the name of your "game". Hmmmm how many subjective interpretations of "from day one" are there? Like as literal as BC vs AD... sorry wasn't around then? Date of hire? Date I heard the insider news/facts/opinions of Wisky folks? Date I first posted on PO? Benny's? Come on, define it for us As I said before, "new" or "clueless" or both? Now we know... PS- Baseba111... Date Registered: Oct 20, 2015 at 12:04pm Posted only briefly on PO just before it's demise... for those that may have remembered some innocuous posts about my Caribbean vaca where I was wearing Beav hat and was spotted at a beach restaurant by Wisky fans/employees that began the conversation by thanking me for taking Gary off their hands. It went on for enough drinks that none of us were safe to snorkel for quite a while. Bonus points for PO members... can you name the nondescript but awesome island? No need to be personal. None of my criticism was personal. I have no Idea what your politics are. They’re certainly not relevant to this discussion. Here’s your quote: ” Common sense and very little sleuthing showed it was never going to be a great hire, leery alone a HR. GAG had issues at every level of human/ player interactions and relationships.
The abrupt departure of MR and initial excitement of a big time P5 coach's interest lead those in power to overlook or completely ignore(?) obvious signs of big problems. A more thorough yet very simple investigation of those surrounding the program should, would have, shown huge red flags.
The GAG hire was a complete fiasco from the start, and a breakdown in the trust of leadership to run this "ship".”I merely said the above was 20/200 hindsight and asked if you had any CONTEMPORARY record that you called out the hire as “a fiasco from the start” - from the start. Otherwise, your post (Not you; I don’t know you) struck me as a little self-serving.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 23, 2019 6:34:37 GMT -8
The failed coaching stockpile is littered with Chip Kelly stories that didn't pan out. For every Chipper there are a ton of failures. Chipper was coaching at New Hampshire for 10 years (10 years!) before someone noticed him. And he was never a head coach. Face it, the Ducks got lucky and with the combination of he, Uncle Phil, and a few athletic qb's that really fit his system, not to mention catching lightning in a bottle in Mariota. Nobody on God's Green Earth knows whether Coach Smith will pan out to have the success of CK, or fail like the other 100 in the used coaching bin. Me? I like our chances with him. And "willie assistance"... Around here we call him Will.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 23, 2019 7:14:55 GMT -8
It's real hard for people to admit that baseba1111 was right about something, isn't it? "well yeah, you were right about Gary Andersen, but were you right before he coached a game? Sure it took me almost two seasons to figure out that this guy was a dumpster fire, but it took you almost TWO WHOLE WEEKS, so you're not better than me!"
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 23, 2019 7:50:56 GMT -8
It's real hard for people to admit that baseba1111 was right about something, isn't it? "well yeah, you were right about Gary Andersen, but were you right before he coached a game? Sure it took me almost two seasons to figure out that this guy was a dumpster fire, but it took you almost TWO WHOLE WEEKS, so you're not better than me!" Yeah, cuz "better" was what this board is all about 😏🍻
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 8:08:23 GMT -8
It's real hard for people to admit that baseba1111 was right about something, isn't it? "well yeah, you were right about Gary Andersen, but were you right before he coached a game? Sure it took me almost two seasons to figure out that this guy was a dumpster fire, but it took you almost TWO WHOLE WEEKS, so you're not better than me!" Yeah, cuz "better" was what this board is all about 😏🍻 8439* tries you were going to be right about something. I am including all the posts that you set to expire. By the way I encourage all of you to use the expiration feature for your potentially embarrasing posts.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 23, 2019 8:11:33 GMT -8
LMAO... "but.... Mom he said..." You ask for links, someone graciously provided. Even another personal recollection is not good enough for your "truth". Of course you need to go to the "day one" quote. Maybe you are a far "leftist" that inhabit the news cycles these days. Seemingly need to continually to find fault with everyone else to salve their need for having no solutions of their own? Or, is biotching just the name of your "game". Hmmmm how many subjective interpretations of "from day one" are there? Like as literal as BC vs AD... sorry wasn't around then? Date of hire? Date I heard the insider news/facts/opinions of Wisky folks? Date I first posted on PO? Benny's? Come on, define it for us As I said before, "new" or "clueless" or both? Now we know... PS- Baseba111... Date Registered: Oct 20, 2015 at 12:04pm Posted only briefly on PO just before it's demise... for those that may have remembered some innocuous posts about my Caribbean vaca where I was wearing Beav hat and was spotted at a beach restaurant by Wisky fans/employees that began the conversation by thanking me for taking Gary off their hands. It went on for enough drinks that none of us were safe to snorkel for quite a while. Bonus points for PO members... can you name the nondescript but awesome island? No need to be personal. None of my criticism was personal. I have no Idea what your politics are. They’re certainly not relevant to this discussion. Here’s your quote: ” Common sense and very little sleuthing showed it was never going to be a great hire, leery alone a HR. GAG had issues at every level of human/ player interactions and relationships.
The abrupt departure of MR and initial excitement of a big time P5 coach's interest lead those in power to overlook or completely ignore(?) obvious signs of big problems. A more thorough yet very simple investigation of those surrounding the program should, would have, shown huge red flags.
The GAG hire was a complete fiasco from the start, and a breakdown in the trust of leadership to run this "ship".”I merely said the above was 20/200 hindsight and asked if you had any CONTEMPORARY record that you called out the hire as “a fiasco from the start” - from the start. Otherwise, your post (Not you; I don’t know you) struck me as a little self-serving. Fiasco from the start is actually a pretty good description of it. It was just strange. He had a bunch of canned answers about the move and about the only good thing he could say about Corvallis is you can see mountains. It was strange, his body positioning looked fake for about a season and a half. I actually largely defended him early on, but I thought there was something going on beyond him really wanting to get to Corvallis from the getgo.
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Post by biggieorange on Jul 23, 2019 8:23:10 GMT -8
Erickson was a gift. He was freshly fired, at a time few were hiring (most coaching changes are made well before LOI day, not after), and he was being paid big money by the Seahawks and came in willing to be one of the lower paid, if not the lowest paid, coaches in the league. You can’t compare his hire against ANY hire of an established coach we could have realistically made this time around. It’s tough to take anyone who throws out the Erickson hire as an example of what we can do seriously. And, the same people that say Riley is a failure/mediocre and praise Erickson for his one great year at OSU never talk about the rest of Erickson's career. Left OSU and failed again in the NFL and then had one good year out of 5 at ASU. It's not like his OSU teams after that 2000 year were anything special either. Outside of following up Jimmy Johnson at Miami and the first 2 seasons after Riley at OSU his career was pretty mediocre. There's no guarantee that any coach regardless of pedigree is going to succeed or maintain that success. Smith's resume is comparable to most of the SEC assistants that would have been available at the time. DE staff could spot talent though. Not as good developers as Riley, particularly at say WR, but some of that was scheme. Last few years of DE reign it just seemed like they were a bit lazy imho. Lost some fire, some guys really didn't take the next step etc.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jul 23, 2019 9:03:16 GMT -8
Proposing that we rename this thread:
Where is Mike Riley? also we totally should have hired Dabo Swinney or Chip Kelley instead of Jonathan Smith, Baseball111 was right about GAG while others were wrong /something something Dennis Erickson.
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Post by orangeattack on Jul 23, 2019 9:27:23 GMT -8
No need to be personal. None of my criticism was personal. I have no Idea what your politics are. They’re certainly not relevant to this discussion. Here’s your quote: ” Common sense and very little sleuthing showed it was never going to be a great hire, leery alone a HR. GAG had issues at every level of human/ player interactions and relationships.
The abrupt departure of MR and initial excitement of a big time P5 coach's interest lead those in power to overlook or completely ignore(?) obvious signs of big problems. A more thorough yet very simple investigation of those surrounding the program should, would have, shown huge red flags.
The GAG hire was a complete fiasco from the start, and a breakdown in the trust of leadership to run this "ship".”I merely said the above was 20/200 hindsight and asked if you had any CONTEMPORARY record that you called out the hire as “a fiasco from the start” - from the start. Otherwise, your post (Not you; I don’t know you) struck me as a little self-serving. Fiasco from the start is actually a pretty good description of it. It was just strange. He had a bunch of canned answers about the move and about the only good thing he could say about Corvallis is you can see mountains. It was strange, his body positioning looked fake for about a season and a half. I actually largely defended him early on, but I thought there was something going on beyond him really wanting to get to Corvallis from the getgo. I was curious exactly how people were going to dig up proof (or contradiction of it) of baseba1111 's criticism before the first game was going to be played - since this board came into existence after GAG was hired and both of the member bases that fed into it came from the defunct beaverfootball.com and pure-orange.net sites. I can tell you that after the first spring game, atownbeaver promptly logged into bf.com and posted something along the lines of WHAT THE CRAP WAS THAT?!
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 23, 2019 9:45:35 GMT -8
Yeah, cuz "better" was what this board is all about 😏🍻 8439* tries you were going to be right about something. I am including all the posts that you set to expire. By the way I encourage all of you to use the expiration feature for your potentially embarrasing posts. No idea about this "expire" feature, but then again I don't get embarrassed by an anonymous message board... only lack of using auto spell checked words... "embarrasing" one that is included. I encourage all of you to use the spell check feature to help diminish the grammar/spell policing
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 23, 2019 9:55:53 GMT -8
LMAO... "but.... Mom he said..." You ask for links, someone graciously provided. Even another personal recollection is not good enough for your "truth". Of course you need to go to the "day one" quote. Maybe you are a far "leftist" that inhabit the news cycles these days. Seemingly need to continually to find fault with everyone else to salve their need for having no solutions of their own? Or, is biotching just the name of your "game". Hmmmm how many subjective interpretations of "from day one" are there? Like as literal as BC vs AD... sorry wasn't around then? Date of hire? Date I heard the insider news/facts/opinions of Wisky folks? Date I first posted on PO? Benny's? Come on, define it for us As I said before, "new" or "clueless" or both? Now we know... PS- Baseba111... Date Registered: Oct 20, 2015 at 12:04pm Posted only briefly on PO just before it's demise... for those that may have remembered some innocuous posts about my Caribbean vaca where I was wearing Beav hat and was spotted at a beach restaurant by Wisky fans/employees that began the conversation by thanking me for taking Gary off their hands. It went on for enough drinks that none of us were safe to snorkel for quite a while. Bonus points for PO members... can you name the nondescript but awesome island? No need to be personal. None of my criticism was personal. I have no Idea what your politics are. They’re certainly not relevant to this discussion. Here’s your quote: ” Common sense and very little sleuthing showed it was never going to be a great hire, leery alone a HR. GAG had issues at every level of human/ player interactions and relationships.
The abrupt departure of MR and initial excitement of a big time P5 coach's interest lead those in power to overlook or completely ignore(?) obvious signs of big problems. A more thorough yet very simple investigation of those surrounding the program should, would have, shown huge red flags.
The GAG hire was a complete fiasco from the start, and a breakdown in the trust of leadership to run this "ship".”I merely said the above was 20/200 hindsight and asked if you had any CONTEMPORARY record that you called out the hire as “a fiasco from the start” - from the start. Otherwise, your post (Not you; I don’t know you) struck me as a little self-serving. At least you are consistent... "no fault" insurance! Your "accusatory" posts and backtracking is your MO. Of course the insinuation of what I said (without checking, also required about 60 seconds of sleuthing) be not 20/20, but 20/200 hindsight... and being "self serving" is indeed not personal?? LOL PS- although aren't all posts here "self serving"? It a message board and we post because we want to, and to share ideas and opinions. Maybe a few come here to be "first" or "right", but most just post and DGAF whether we're necessarily "right". Believe me I'd much rather be talking about (3) straight mediocre bowl games and needing to step it up, than be correct about some poor coaching hire.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 10:19:55 GMT -8
8439* tries you were going to be right about something. I am including all the posts that you set to expire. By the way I encourage all of you to use the expiration feature for your potentially embarrasing posts. No idea about this "expire" feature, but then again I don't get embarrassed by an anonymous message board... only lack of using auto spell checked words... "embarrasing" one that is included. I encourage all of you to use the spell check feature to help diminish the grammar/spell policing I knew that spelling didn't look right but I didnt really care. I'm used to my phone auto correcting me. Its refreshing to see it took a play off. Just like the 2018 beaver D.
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Post by green85 on Jul 23, 2019 10:21:14 GMT -8
Fiasco from the start is actually a pretty good description of it. It was just strange. He had a bunch of canned answers about the move and about the only good thing he could say about Corvallis is you can see mountains. It was strange, his body positioning looked fake for about a season and a half. I actually largely defended him early on, but I thought there was something going on beyond him really wanting to get to Corvallis from the getgo. I was curious exactly how people were going to dig up proof (or contradiction of it) of baseba1111 's criticism before the first game was going to be played - since this board came into existence after GAG was hired and both of the member bases that fed into it came from the defunct beaverfootball.com and pure-orange.net sites. I can tell you that after the first spring game, atownbeaver promptly logged into bf.com and posted something along the lines of WHAT THE CRAP WAS THAT?! "I can tell you that after the first spring game, atownbeaver promptly logged into bf.com and posted something along the lines of WHAT THE CRAP WAS THAT?! " That made me laugh ... some needed levity in this thread. An outsiders view: I thought the Andersen hire was a great opportunity for OSU. I was definitely wrong ... I certainly did not see "warning signs" or obvious reasons to doubt Andersen. My info on Andersen came from fans on the boards posting their evaluation ... and as time went on more signs popped. Not sure how anyone could have anticipated the exit. The hire of Coach Smith fits (IMO). Lots of boxes checked. Like any new head coach, you can only have a limited evaluation of performance after a single year.
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Post by four2itus on Jul 23, 2019 10:25:42 GMT -8
8439* tries you were going to be right about something. I am including all the posts that you set to expire. By the way I encourage all of you to use the expiration feature for your potentially embarrasing posts. No idea about this "expire" feature, but then again I don't get embarrassed by an anonymous message board... only lack of using auto spell checked words... "embarrasing" one that is included. I encourage all of you to use the spell check feature to help diminish the grammar/spell policing I love it when someone gives me a hard time on a message board, while displaying an embarrassing grasp of the English language, grammar, or even prose.
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Post by tnarg33 on Jul 23, 2019 10:26:35 GMT -8
Just out of curiosity I went back and found what I wrote about the hire on December 10th, 2014 since I was also an early adopter of hating on GA.
"I don't know enough about Gary Andersen to be over the moon, but I do think he's a lot better than what I expected. Although I am suspicious of Andersens whose names end in "sen".
I then had a one year update saying he sucks, a two year update saying he still sucks but the players played hard this year so I'm on board and a 3 year update saying he is the worst f%#*ing coach and person of all time.
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