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Aug 6, 2017 12:44:51 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 6, 2017 12:44:51 GMT -8
Southern Utah? Nevada? I'm thinking it might be tough for 3M to crack the starting lineup at tOSU by next year.
Too bad the NCAA doesn't give a 6th year if your coach doesn't play you despite being the best at your position on the team, that could open up Hawaii or Oklahoma State for revenge games.
That said, I think the choice of Luton as starter is not a bad choice. I look at as a likely toss-up in a couple weeks and Luton has more potential upside than any QB we've brought in since DA came in 17 years ago.
I'm sad for 3M he couldn't live out his football dream here. It feels to me that he was repeatedly put into poor situations by the current staff, my guess is he feels that way as well.
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Aug 6, 2017 13:00:15 GMT -8
Post by devildog on Aug 6, 2017 13:00:15 GMT -8
Well now the only question I have is was this an actual QB competition, or were they stringing McMaryion along in the hopes he'd run out of time to transfer and stick around to be a backup for 2017? I feel for the kid, because he probably could've found a place to play had the decision been announced officially in the spring. It's possible that he lost that option because Luton got sick. That's some terrible luck. Was never an actual QB competition. That damn old Andersen simply stung the kid along. Is there any wonder that his players hate him.
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shiitt
Aug 6, 2017 13:02:57 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 6, 2017 13:02:57 GMT -8
Well now the only question I have is was this an actual QB competition, or were they stringing McMaryion along in the hopes he'd run out of time to transfer and stick around to be a backup for 2017? I feel for the kid, because he probably could've found a place to play had the decision been announced officially in the spring. It's possible that he lost that option because Luton got sick. That's some terrible luck. Was never an actual QB competition. That damn old Andersen simply stung the kid along. Is there any wonder that his players hate him. Any evidence of that? Also, if one makes the distinction between "his players" and the "previous coach's players" it wouldn't be unusual in a lot if cases a coaching change has been made.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 13:18:07 GMT -8
Was never an actual QB competition. That damn old Andersen simply stung the kid along. Is there any wonder that his players hate him. Any evidence of that? Also, if one makes the distinction between "his players" and the "previous coach's players" it wouldn't be unusual in a lot if cases a coaching change has been made. of course no evidence of that. It's not a serious post. It's either choked up with so much sarcasm that it's nonsense. Or else it's senseless vitriol. What we have come to expect.
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shiitt
Aug 6, 2017 13:50:22 GMT -8
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Post by osulax24 on Aug 6, 2017 13:50:22 GMT -8
We would be fortunate if Luton is akin to Derek Anderson - very fortunate indeed. If you think DA 2.0 would be a step down fro3MM, then you need to watch more football. Ok dad
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 6, 2017 14:00:27 GMT -8
We would be fortunate if Luton is akin to Derek Anderson - very fortunate indeed. If you think DA 2.0 would be a step down fro3MM, then you need to watch more football. Ok dad FWIW, I agree with beaverbeliever. DA was a heck of a good QB.
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Aug 6, 2017 14:03:40 GMT -8
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Post by osulax24 on Aug 6, 2017 14:03:40 GMT -8
I said he never said DA was bad, just said stats don't win games and thought it was funny he told me to watch more football like a grumpy dad. I like DA, but I like winning winnable games, is hard to do when you are turning the ball over frequently.
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Post by snohobeav on Aug 6, 2017 14:26:51 GMT -8
Probably not a popular opinion around here, but I hate the "if I don't start I'm leaving" attitude in the game today. Too much of the "I gotta get mine" attitude. There's only 1 starting QB on a team. If it's not you, you leave?
If only Andersen would read message boards so he'd be privy to QB experts' analysis. It's pretty clear based on the 20-minute media portion of practice that we read about and the Spring Game that MM is better apparently I guess.
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Post by nabeav on Aug 6, 2017 14:32:02 GMT -8
Probably not a popular opinion around here, but I hate the "if I don't start I'm leaving" attitude in the game today. Too much of the "I gotta get mine" attitude. There's only 1 starting QB on a team. If it's not you, you leave? If only Andersen would read message boards so he'd be privy to QB experts' analysis. It's pretty clear based on the 20-minute media portion of practice that we read about and the Spring Game that 3M is better apparently I guess. Same goes for Luton though. All we know about him is the same twenty minute write ups and the spring game. That's what leads to all this dissension in the ranks. We don't know, so we speculate based on our preference. Mine is for the guy I've seen win games on the Reser turf on Saturdays. I don't like the "I don't start I'm leaving" business either, but that's not the case here. He's started parts of two seasons. He knows he can play at this level. He has yet to be beaten out based on on field performance in season. I'd transfer if I were him too. He's put his time in, got his degree.....best of luck kid.
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Post by gzrbvr on Aug 6, 2017 14:36:29 GMT -8
I said he never said DA was bad, just said stats don't win games and thought it was funny he told me to watch more football like a grumpy dad. I like DA, but I like winning winnable games, is hard to do when you are turning the ball over frequently. Like bouncing catchable balls off guys hands and chest and shoulders like DA did???
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 6, 2017 14:38:41 GMT -8
I said he never said DA was bad, just said stats don't win games and thought it was funny he told me to watch more football like a grumpy dad. I like DA, but I like winning winnable games, is hard to do when you are turning the ball over frequently. I saw some lost games because catchable balls that bounced off hands and chests and ended up in defenders' hands. I can't blame DA for that. If you watch DA after ints there were he had a couple different reactions, one appeared to possibly involve what looked like a receiver blowing their route. If so, I can't blame DA for that. Neither ever occurred when Mike Hass was in volved (James Newson as well if I recall correctly). I do recall him throwing one or two absolute ducks as he was getting hit, most QBS playing behind a porous line throw more in my opinion. As mentioned earlier, there's a lot more to playing QB than stats, even when it comes to interceptions.
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Post by devildog on Aug 6, 2017 14:49:33 GMT -8
Any evidence of that? Also, if one makes the distinction between "his players" and the "previous coach's players" it wouldn't be unusual in a lot if cases a coaching change has been made. of course no evidence of that. It's not a serious post. It's either choked up with so much sarcasm that it's nonsense. Or else it's senseless vitriol. What we have come to expect. You nailed it blow. Some want to believe than CGA simply doesn't (didn't) want MGone to start period. Pure goofiness. The new QB coach and an OC had something to do with MGone not being the starter. The senseless vitriol is the silly notion that there was no competition.
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shiitt
Aug 6, 2017 14:51:56 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 6, 2017 14:51:56 GMT -8
Probably not a popular opinion around here, but I hate the "if I don't start I'm leaving" attitude in the game today. Too much of the "I gotta get mine" attitude. There's only 1 starting QB on a team. If it's not you, you leave? If only Andersen would read message boards so he'd be privy to QB experts' analysis. It's pretty clear based on the 20-minute media portion of practice that we read about and the Spring Game that 3M is better apparently I guess. In this case I think transferring is probably the best thing for 3M, and could be the best thing for the team. I think 3M got a raw deal here, it happens, and a chance to go elsewhere is probably a good thing. I also think if he'd have stayed he'd have played the good soldier and done whatever was expected of him because he's has done that for 3 years at OSU. As far as the team goes, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a faction that thinks Luton should be the guy, a faction that thinks 3M should be the guy, and a faction that tries actively not to think about such things. Basically, with Marcus moving on Luton/Garrettson/Blount are the guys, there's no real question about the order, and there's no real questioning if the coaches are nuts as far as a QB choice goes.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 6, 2017 14:58:28 GMT -8
of course no evidence of that. It's not a serious post. It's either choked up with so much sarcasm that it's nonsense. Or else it's senseless vitriol. What we have come to expect. You nailed it blow. Some want to believe than CGA simply doesn't (didn't) want MGone to start period. Pure goofiness. The new QB coach and an OC had something to do with MGone not being the starter. The senseless vitriol is the silly notion that there was no competition. They "had something" to do with it, but how much? Coach A was quoted after the game Blount was put in that HE made the decision to put Blount in despite his limited practice reps. Later in the year McGiven was quoted as saying something along the lines that he would ideally be able to pick a QB not on how well they handle themselves in the huddle but on how they produce results on the game field. When you have coaches saying such things it gives fodder to speculation.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 6, 2017 15:16:33 GMT -8
DA won 23 games, two Civil Wars, two bowl games, won 8 games with no running backs worth much in 2004, and would have had a super season in 2005 had Erickson not stupidly burned his redshirt season in 2001. If Luton can be 90 percent of the QB DA was, we're in great shape.
Marcus McMaryion has two lifetime wins. Good luck to him, wherever he lands.
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