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Post by mbabeav on Oct 10, 2017 12:31:15 GMT -8
I am hoping that coach Hall has had a "come to Jesus" meeting with our staff. Anyone who played 5 years in the NFL as a d-back is not someone who is going to put up with BS - would have liked to have been a fly on the wall in that room.
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Oct 10, 2017 12:33:26 GMT -8
Why in the world is Andersen texting clownzano at all?? And in such an unprofessional, talking to my wife or therapist manner??? Also, why would clownzano print it?!?! So all private communication to a reporter is printable now? Did he get Andersen's permission? May God have mercy on both your wife and therapist. Canzano told a story on the radio the other day. He was having a meal with his family at a restaurant when some guy came up to his table with a note he had written to him and dropped in his food, said "I hope you choke on your food", and left for the restroom locking the door behind him. Canzano followed him and stood outside the restroom door. After 5 or 10 minutes the man came out "looking sheepish", and returned to his table. Canzano walked up to the table and told this man's table guests, "This is not your fault, but if he were alone I would flip this table." Not sure what was in the note, but being in the public eye writing and speaking your views can make you a target of every knob who objects to your opinions. Sometimes I disagree with what his take is on certain events, but since he seems to be the best source to give us a look into backspace of athletics, I appreciate him. It turns out Andersen may not have lost the team as much as he had some of his coaches, or, perhaps more accurately, they lost him.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 10, 2017 12:35:50 GMT -8
people were worried that the players would quit and pack it in but in reality it is the coaches and it is much worse now that they know they are gone in 2 months!!
Hall has his work cut out for him that is certain!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 10, 2017 12:42:31 GMT -8
I have to assume Hall told them if they want to find work in the future they better work hard the next 7 weeks or he'll can 'em. I assume anyone he cans will receive an extra heavy dose of scrutiny in the future, over and above what they all already will face that is.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 10, 2017 12:44:36 GMT -8
.... Also, why would clownzano print it?!?! So all private communication to a reporter is printable now? Did he get Andersen's permission? Can-o-crappo will print anything and everything said or sent to him. I've never had any love for the ducks or their players or coaches but when Can-o-crappo blogged a few years back about the exact details of his encounter with a drunken and angry Colleen Bellotti, it was not Mrs. Bellotti that I was disgusted by. It was the "reporter" who seemed to feel that nothing is private. I would think that if GA really did send these texts to Can-o-crappo that he did not intend for them to become public. That was GA's bad judgement if that's the case. He could have asked anyone and they would have told him that Can-o-crappo is an untrustworthy ratings whore. His encounter with Mrs. Bellotti was in the Autzen press box, a public place, in front of other people. She is fair game at that point. There is no expectation of privacy if you confront someone in a public place. These texts are different. Andersen probably had an expectation of privacy, that the texts were being used as deep background and context. Lesson learned here. Once the text is sent, it becomes the property of the recipient. Anyone trusting Canzano is a fool. Gary should have known better, this wasn't his first rodeo.
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Post by nabeav on Oct 10, 2017 12:47:11 GMT -8
I'm so bewildered by this. If you or me or anyone else texted John Canzano, you know that eventually he's going to leak those texts. YOU KNOW THIS. Maybe not while you're the head coach because he still needs access to your program, but when things go south and you're on the way out, he's going to release that stuff. Again, WE ALL KNOW THIS.
Now, you can make the case that Canzano, because of his influence and platform, can't be placated with coach speak and "we just gotta keep grindin'..." - if you irritate him, he's going to start writing more critical pieces and creating a whole different headache for you, but jesus....just look at some of this stuff.
Is he talking about the administration? Is he talking about his team? I don't know, but it seems like a shot at administration to me....an administration that boosted salaries, recruiting budgets, etc. when he was hired.
Seems like a direct shot at PJ Fleck. Maybe deserved, but incredibly petty to vent to a reporter ahead of the game....looks even worse when the coach who cares about himself more than his kids is able to whip you 48-14.
No argument here, but this is a classic Andersen move - blame someone else, then take the blame. He did this CONSTANTLY.
Again, is it a classy move to give the school the money back if you're going to lord it over them like "I really could screw you guys, but I'm not going to do it." This pisses me off as well. People who make donations for the recognition and the praise always make me uncomfortable. Yes, it's great that you're using your money for something good, but you're doing it for yourself and you expect everyone else to kiss your beanbag for doing it. I hate that.
This guy.....why he feels such a sense of obligation to a bunch of coaches he clearly felt were actively torpedoing his career is beyond me. I don't understand this at all. Furthermore, he clearly felt that the kids he had weren't good enough to compete. He may have cared about them as people, but he certainly didn't think they could play football.
Two weeks later he forfeits $12M to get away. The only thing he killed was his financial planner's income (and maybe his own career).
You guys get the team to play better or so help me I'll fire myself. So so strange.
This guy....."I need better players. My coaching staff is on their last chance......I accept all the blame."
This is the only tweet where he doesn't sound like a whiny teenager to me.
And there it is. "It's Oregon State, but I asked for this." Blame the school, then take the blame. He fully believes he's a great coach, just maybe not great enough to make this place a winner, because, after all, "it's Oregon State."
Doesn't care about the fans, but they deserve his best effort. His ability to talk out of both sides of his mouth is mind boggling. I can't even with this guy. He clearly worked his ass off and wanted to win. I won't fault him for lack of trying or his compassion for his players. But holy crap, these texts are essentially the ramblings of my nine year old after his soccer team loses a game.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 10, 2017 12:54:56 GMT -8
I suspect no self-respecting coach will ever have any off the record communication with Canzano again.
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Post by vhalum92 on Oct 10, 2017 12:56:05 GMT -8
Totally reading between the lines but I do think he wanted to fire some coordinators or all and some assistant but may have been told if you do, you only get x amount of $ to rehire. That would be frustrating, and that is why choosing the correct coaches from the get go is so important... and not your friends or the guys you coached with at Utah State.
The mistakes that he made happened a few years back. Letting or helping D 1 talented kids leave and bringing in the wrong guys to coach who was left. Fatal flaw.... not recruiting the right guys.
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Post by jimbeav on Oct 10, 2017 13:03:56 GMT -8
Assuming these texts are real (I'm still having trouble believing that), that right there is a guy who doesn't have the mental fortitude or maturity to be a big-time college head coach. Good grief.
Oh, and my nickname "Mr. Intangibles" is very apt. In those messages, I see a lot of fight, a lot of grit, a lot of toughness, a lot of intensity...but what I don't see is anything that even hints that Andersen knows how to coach a team through its troubles. Just keep grinding. That's it! That's all he's got! Jeezus...
With this invasion of personal confidence, Canzano is going to turn public opinion against our assistants (and therefore make it even hard for them to have some success the rest of the year; thanks you POS), but now I'm left wondering if some assistants were also frustrated at the personnel and offensive decisions in the off-season, and felt like they were doing their job while hogtied. That Andersen can't see the folly of throwing everything away after last year, makes me take all his opinions of what's wrong this year with a grain of salt. The guy is just clueless...
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 10, 2017 13:06:03 GMT -8
Totally reading between the lines but I do think he wanted to fire some coordinators or all and some assistant but may have been told if you do, you only get x amount of $ to rehire. That would be frustrating, and that is why choosing the correct coaches from the get go is so important... and not your friends or the guys you coached with at Utah State. The mistakes that he made happened a few years back. Letting or helping D 1 talented kids leave and bringing in the wrong guys to coach who was left. Fatal flaw.... not recruiting the right guys. Well, not knowing the structure of any of the assistant coaches contracts (a lot are year to year, not seen our situation), but if you fire someone under contract and have to pay them the rest of that year, or any future years for that matter, doesn't leave much in the cupboard to bring in quality new hires. Sort of pinned himself and the program in a corner with that.
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Post by beavadelic on Oct 10, 2017 13:07:34 GMT -8
That sounded like conversations that the ship’s Captain could have had on the Titanic. Fortunately for CGA, he recognized the magnitude of his miscalculations early enough to get a life raft and not go down with the ship! Sad,
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Post by beaver94 on Oct 10, 2017 13:22:28 GMT -8
I’ve always wondered if some of the coaching struggles are the staff not seeing eye to eye with GA on his offensive decisions. The offense that he supposedly new little about but was still very heavy handed in controlling. Apparent disagreement with the first yeah coordinator, and also making the decision to put in a walk-on QB in ahead of the supposed second stringer in the second year.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 10, 2017 13:26:32 GMT -8
I suspect no self-respecting coach will ever have any off the record communication with Canzano again. As far as I'm concerned, no self respecting coach did! The man is a train wreck!! These texts completely make his other public utterances make sense. Barnes had to be hanging his head when he sees these. What effing school would hire this guy now?
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Post by nabeav on Oct 10, 2017 13:26:54 GMT -8
I'm really starting to believe that the $12M giveback was really just him hoping he'd be remembered for that and not the smoldering compost pile of a football program he left behind.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 10, 2017 13:30:00 GMT -8
Assuming these texts are real (I'm still having trouble believing that), that right there is a guy who doesn't have the mental fortitude or maturity to be a big-time college head coach. Good grief. Oh, and my nickname "Mr. Intangibles" is very apt. In those messages, I see a lot of fight, a lot of grit, a lot of toughness, a lot of intensity...but what I don't see is anything that even hints that Andersen knows how to coach a team through its troubles. Just keep grinding. That's it! That's all he's got! Jeezus... With this invasion of personal confidence, Canzano is going to turn public opinion against our assistants (and therefore make it even hard for them to have some success the rest of the year; thanks you POS), but now I'm left wondering if some assistants were also frustrated at the personnel and offensive decisions in the off-season, and felt like they were doing their job while hogtied. That Andersen can't see the folly of throwing everything away after last year, makes me take all his opinions of what's wrong this year with a grain of salt. The guy is just clueless... I'd guess is disagree... I see words. Words he could not actually live by. A more disingenuous person you could not find. The more you know... wow... just effing wow. And some on here said Wisky fans were blowing negative BS up or ass!
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