jbjam
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Post by jbjam on Oct 10, 2017 16:27:29 GMT -8
I suspect no self-respecting coach will ever have any off the record communication with Canzano again. As far as I'm concerned, no self respecting coach did! The man is a train wreck!! These texts completely make his other public utterances make sense. Barnes had to be hanging his head when he sees these. What effing school would hire this guy now? I agree to a point but what if people saw your message board posts (or mine) tied to a name? Countless D1 coaches scream, breakdown, yell- etc on camera. I'm not a fan of it but, what do you think they do off camera? I bet Jim Harbaugh texts are hilarious after a game. Clearly, he made a massive mistake to send these to a reporter. It appears he saw Canzano as a friend to vent his frustrations. Obviously a poor choice, he should have these type of emotional vents with his friends, family or AD. Not a reporter. The main issue I have here is who he sent these to wtf was he thinking? He's got to know better. edit: I think your right this will hurt him at a future hire. Even for a coordinator position.
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Post by beavered on Oct 10, 2017 16:30:46 GMT -8
Opinion: Canzano is hack journalist. An opinionated, arrogant and unprofessional reporter that has no moral or ethical compass. An idiot in Fresno, an idiot in San Jose and a blithering idiot in Portland. A tabloid style sportswriter and gossip columnist paid to pedal newspapers. So what? I'm far more concerned about the fact that a coach at a P5 school went so far off the rails as to think the controversial local columnist was a good sounding board. I was honestly more blown away by the release of those texts today than I was by the official parting of ways announcement yesterday.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 10, 2017 16:36:41 GMT -8
Any text from a public employee is accessible to the public under the Freedom of Information Act. Maybe Canzanno knew someone had a request in for the text messages. Canzano said on his radio show that he had permission to share those specific texts. That there were also texts that he did not want Canzano to share (and presumably Canzano did and is planning to in the future honor that request). I am a state employee and I semi regularly give statements and interviews to the media. First rule of talking to a reporter: nothing is EVER off the record. there is no such thing as off the record. Second rule that relates to state workers: every single thing you do or say on a state device is public record. It is stunning to me how many people from the lowest level of government to the highest (cough... Trump?) seem to continue to forget this. EVERYTHING is public record. I have an iphone for work, and it is pretty funny when I get monthly usage statements for it: it is usually something like 400 minutes of talk time. 0 texts 100 MB (ahem, megabytes...) of data used. I keep my nose clean! Canzano my of done Andersen a "professional courtesy" but he never needed permission. If Andersen sent texts from a state issued phone, they are public record.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 10, 2017 16:40:36 GMT -8
As far as I'm concerned, no self respecting coach did! The man is a train wreck!! These texts completely make his other public utterances make sense. Barnes had to be hanging his head when he sees these. What effing school would hire this guy now? I agree to a point but what if people saw your message board posts (or mine) tied to a name? Countless D1 coaches scream, breakdown, yell- etc on camera. I'm not a fan of it but, what do you think they do off camera? I bet Jim Harbaugh texts are hilarious after a game. Clearly, he made a massive mistake to send these to a reporter. It appears he saw Canzano as a friend to vent his frustrations. Obviously a poor choice, he should have these type of emotional vents with his friends, family or AD. Not a reporter. The main issue I have here is who he sent these to wtf was he thinking? He's got to know better. edit: I think your right this will hurt him at a future hire. Even for a coordinator position. First... texts from your phone are NOT anonymous and can never expected to be. This board is unless you want it not to be. GA did not send texts thinking they were anonymous. And if thought they would remain private he has no biz being in charge of a team. Besides that it sounds as if he made a 'deal" which he'd allow to be released!! That's even more suspect... even if it was after the fact of quitting. The release of these get clownzano to national online buzz he craves, and GA... hell makes him look like an idiot! NO coach takes his gripes to a member of the media... no coach takes the locker room outside the locker room! I have zero idea why GA went to him, let alone made a deal to release some of the texts unless he thought it would make him look sympathetic. What it did was make him look pathetic. But, back to your post... sorry... there is nothing I post here I would not say to anyone's face. If GA wanted to talk coaching over a bottle, or two, of good Scotch I would not pull any punches. I would assume if he and I were talking man to man we'd have some sort of relationship where honest criticism (both ways) would be expected. I'd also be more privy to what actually is going on and might not have some of the same viewpoints!? The same goes for any poster who has a beef with what I say. The "how" I say it is reader interpretation... how someone "takes" what I write is their prerogative, but can be vastly different when communicating in person. But... GA continues to astound... in a negative way... even no longer employed! It really is amazing. I almost feel like I'm reading a small town local paper about some wet behind the ears HS coach!
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Post by beaver55to7 on Oct 10, 2017 17:20:05 GMT -8
That is a look inside a troubled mind. CTE jumps to mind as a likely suspect. Hope the best for our former coach. His strange decisions will haunt the program for years to come, but you have to have some sympathy for him and his family.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 10, 2017 18:13:39 GMT -8
That is a look inside a troubled mind. CTE jumps to mind as a likely suspect. Hope the best for our former coach. His strange decisions will haunt the program for years to come, but you have to have some sympathy for him and his family. Wow. I've enjoyed and respected your posts for years but that's an extremely large leap I think. So be it, because CGA has obviously not exhibited rational thinking and decision making.
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Oct 10, 2017 18:15:36 GMT -8
Did or have any of you read Canzano's article? Instead of all this speculation on how these texts were made public, why not go to the source?
"Why quit? And why now?
That's become the question to ask, even after the Beavers' disappointing 1-5 start. And so maybe we should begin with some of his own words, sent to me via text over the last six weeks. (Note: Andersen was aware the texts were going to be published and we communicated on that front today.)"
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 10, 2017 18:29:58 GMT -8
I dunno. I see a pattern here starting to emerge.
Coach Andersen had a pretty fair budget to get his first staff, I think. He brought in a nice mix of a couple superstars and kept a good one in Brennan and a couple young guys. The offense under Baldwin was alarming to him, and that coupled with Baldwin's struggles to remember details and formations and such - and maybe some personal issues, who knows.. but there's a bunch of infighting. Kalani leaves and takes coach Chad, our superstar recruiter, with him. Our poly pipeline for the defense is decimated.And then... demoting Baldwin. Can't afford to fire Baldwin? Is that where the trouble began? I hear that even Angie Machado has confirmed that Andersen missed out on assistants he wanted because OSU couldn't match salaries.. so he does the best he can.. he gets a young guy who is going to be a star with Hall and he gets a real good one with Telly. But it's not enough to overcome the albatross he has hung around his neck with this staff, the rest of them.
So he has a sit-down with Barnes. He says "Look. I f%#*ed up with Kalani and coach Chad, I was counting on them to turn this thing over and they left me. I wanted a couple legit guys but we couldn't pay them .. so I did the best I could. Varying levels of success. I couldn't fire Baldwin, so I tried to use him but here's the deal. I am the guy for this job, but I need a reset. I need big bucks to go after some competent coordinators, we need to bite the bullet on Baldwin, I'm sorry about that hire. That's what it takes, I need a reset button for this staff to get this right, so I can be the CEO and make sure these guys graduate and are good humans. If you say no, I'll walk away and take my buyout off the table as a matter of principle, because I hired these assholes, and best of luck to you."
I don't buy that Andersen is crazy. That's a cheap answer, and one that doesn't make much sense from any angle.
"The worst thing to call somebody crazy. It's dismissive. I don't understand this person. So they're crazy. That's bulls%#t. These people are not crazy. They're strong people. Maybe their environment, is a little sick." - Dave Chappelle
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 10, 2017 19:00:10 GMT -8
Supposedly GA was ready to bail several weeks ago, and SB convinced him to stay on and give it a little longer. He wasn't shown the door. He opened it himself.
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Post by NativeBeav on Oct 10, 2017 19:01:15 GMT -8
Opinion: Canzano is hack journalist. An opinionated, arrogant and unprofessional reporter that has no moral or ethical compass. An idiot in Fresno, an idiot in San Jose and a blithering idiot in Portland. A tabloid style sportswriter and gossip columnist paid to pedal newspapers. Couldn't agree more - but then again, after the hatchet job by him and his rag out of PDX on Luke Heimlich, why would anyone be surprised? In all seriousness, I am surprised that rag of a paper is still in business. Unbelievable!
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 10, 2017 19:51:31 GMT -8
Unless Crappo just signed himself up for a serious libel case (and I don't think he's anywhere near that stupid), this really piles on my perspective of CGA's incompetence. Now it won't just be AD's that won't want to touch him, if one actually does hire him somewhere, no assistant coaches are going to want to work for him. Hey GA, those were YOUR guys, you hired them, you make it work with them or you have the power to fire them and get someone else. You DO NOT throw publicly throw them under the bus and act like you are helpless to fix their failings. Firing them is all the public humiliation needed/appropriate. Fixing it - including stepping in and filling in the voids as required - is what leaders do.
In his first 3 days, Coach Hall has shown he at least understand these basics of being a competent leader. He knows all the garbage that went on, and finds a reasonable way to say that's my problem and none of your business.
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Post by orangethunder on Oct 10, 2017 20:13:24 GMT -8
Is it possible at all that talking to Canzano knowing he would print the conversation was Andersen's way of telling us that beyond the alleged issues with his staff , the powers that be really aren't open to or able to give any future coach the tools and support they would need to make the program a success or in Andersen's words " Big time "
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Oct 10, 2017 20:32:02 GMT -8
That's crap our Administration stepped up and paid money. Maybe just maybe when you screw the pooch and you hire idiots our Administration isn't going to pay for you to rehire during that same year and pay basically a double salary. We're not talking Paul Allen here.
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Post by jdogge on Oct 10, 2017 20:47:15 GMT -8
I agree to a point but what if people saw your message board posts (or mine) tied to a name? Countless D1 coaches scream, breakdown, yell- etc on camera. I'm not a fan of it but, what do you think they do off camera? I bet Jim Harbaugh texts are hilarious after a game. Clearly, he made a massive mistake to send these to a reporter. It appears he saw Canzano as a friend to vent his frustrations. Obviously a poor choice, he should have these type of emotional vents with his friends, family or AD. Not a reporter. The main issue I have here is who he sent these to wtf was he thinking? He's got to know better. edit: I think your right this will hurt him at a future hire. Even for a coordinator position. First... texts from your phone are NOT anonymous and can never expected to be. This board is unless you want it not to be. GA did not send texts thinking they were anonymous. And if thought they would remain private he has no biz being in charge of a team. Besides that it sounds as if he made a 'deal" which he'd allow to be released!! That's even more suspect... even if it was after the fact of quitting. The release of these get clownzano to national online buzz he craves, and GA... hell makes him look like an idiot! NO coach takes his gripes to a member of the media... no coach takes the locker room outside the locker room! I have zero idea why GA went to him, let alone made a deal to release some of the texts unless he thought it would make him look sympathetic. What it did was make him look pathetic. But, back to your post... sorry... there is nothing I post here I would not say to anyone's face. If GA wanted to talk coaching over a bottle, or two, of good Scotch I would not pull any punches. I would assume if he and I were talking man to man we'd have some sort of relationship where honest criticism (both ways) would be expected. I'd also be more privy to what actually is going on and might not have some of the same viewpoints!? The same goes for any poster who has a beef with what I say. The "how" I say it is reader interpretation... how someone "takes" what I write is their prerogative, but can be vastly different when communicating in person. But... GA continues to astound... in a negative way... even no longer employed! It really is amazing. I almost feel like I'm reading a small town local paper about some wet behind the ears HS coach! Doctor, lawyer, champion high school football coach, champion high school basketball coach, all-around fly-on-the-wall. Damn! I'm impressed, son!!
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Post by jimbeav on Oct 10, 2017 20:58:46 GMT -8
Did or have any of you read Canzano's article? Instead of all this speculation on how these texts were made public, why not go to the source? "Why quit? And why now? That's become the question to ask, even after the Beavers' disappointing 1-5 start. And so maybe we should begin with some of his own words, sent to me via text over the last six weeks. (Note: Andersen was aware the texts were going to be published and we communicated on that front today.)" That parenthetical note was added later on today. When I first read it this morning, there was no comment like that. I suspect that was the case for most folks, so everybody has been questioning whether this was done with permission.
And even then, note the way the sentence is worded. There is no mention of permission, just that Andersen was made aware of their publishing. Canzano could simply tell him, "Hey, I'm going to publish your texts verbatim, just letting you know", and his statement above would be entirely accurate.
I simply cannot believe that any sane human would willingly let those enter the public domain verbatim, unedited. Apparently on his radio show, Canzano talked about his exchange with Andersen after this all went down, about how when he asked what happened, Andersen simply replied that it was all in his texts. I have to wonder if Andersen thought that Canzano might write up a story that interprets Gary's texts, but Canzano just went hog wild and assumed he had tacit permission to do anything he wanted with them, including cut-n-pasting every word and exclamation point.
Whatever, Canzano is a douchebag any way you slice it...
(And Gary Andersen needs to be far more selective about who he gives his cell# to).
GO BEAVS!
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