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Post by nabeav on Oct 10, 2017 21:17:56 GMT -8
Again, Canzano is a messenger. The story here is that our head coach was bagging on his university, administration, assistants, and players, and not to close friends. To a reporter! I don’t care how the information got out there.
I’m so glad we are getting a new direction. I don’t care if we only get 7 wins in the next 3 years or 3 wins in the next 7 years as long as the new guy isn’t making stuff up in public and backing busses up over everyone around him in private.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 10, 2017 21:27:54 GMT -8
Clearly, he made a massive mistake to send these to a reporter. It appears he saw Canzano as a friend to vent his frustrations. Obviously a poor choice, he should have these type of emotional vents with his friends, family or AD. Not a reporter. Yeah this just proves how stupid he is! I thought canzano must have acquired these from someone else because what HC would be that stupid? wow
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 11, 2017 6:17:37 GMT -8
I'll say this, GA may have been the worst coach in the Pac-12, but he's the best coach in the league at using EXCLAMATION POINTS!!! Not even close!!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 11, 2017 6:45:25 GMT -8
The oregonian reporter is a known commodity here, I have nothing positive, complimentary or additional to add on that topic (I have a very low opinion of him as well). Our former HC is a very interesting enigma of a man, someone you would be fascinated with were he not presiding over the continued decline of what we really care about: Beaver FB. He seemed to be a solid character, yet he apparently held a low opinion of most all of his colleagues. Many of these colleagues were chosen and hired by him. Whether he was confronting those colleagues about their performance, he sure was sharing with a (supposed) journalist. Rather than befriend a quality journalist like Eggers, he chose the oregonian reporter. He couldn't keep track of a key contributor WR, but he could go all TMI with his text messaging. While I admire his 'generosity' in walking away from $12+M, I do wonder about his decision making and financial acumen (a point I made in another post, no one would likely have hated him for crafting a, say, $3M exit package, which likely might have been better for his family [note - I say that with no knowledge of his financial situation in life]) etc. etc.....
Now that he is not presiding over Beaver FB however, while I find him still enigmatic, I am glad we are headed in a different direction, regardless of what it might be. Let's find new problems, the set of issues this past group of coaches brought to the party was too much for all involved (including, apparently, the coaches). I long for days where winning seasons are in the realm of possibility and occur at least occasionally, my family can consider attending a Beaver bowl game over holiday season a couple of times a decade, and the losses are competitive and entertaining. Right now, I have none of that.....
Go Beavers!
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Post by nabeav on Oct 11, 2017 7:19:10 GMT -8
Who is to say that Andersen wasn't sending these texts to Eggers too? Or to any number of people who didn't go the Canzano route and roast Andersen publicly? Wouldn't surprise me if other people with his cell number got some salty texts.
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 11, 2017 7:44:24 GMT -8
So do we know that CGA texted this stuff directly to assClownzano? No we don't. At least from the words in the article.
It's possible that the texts were between CGA and someone else. And that someone else forwarded the texts to assClownzano.
Nowhere in that excerpt from the article does it explicitly state that CGA and assClownzano texted directly with each other. In fact "some of his own words, sent to me via text" could mean many things. They could have been transcribed from a private verbal conversation between CGA and someone, and then texted to assClownzano.
I really find it hard to believe that a person in CGA's position would be texting a reporter this kind of stuff.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 11, 2017 7:48:53 GMT -8
Who is to say that Andersen wasn't sending these texts to Eggers too? Or to any number of people who didn't go the Canzano route and roast Andersen publicly? Wouldn't surprise me if other people with his cell number got some salty texts. Good point. I found the texts to be quite.....well, unprofessional. And in contradiction to the public persona GA was projecting. He appeared to be a fairly transparent person, but all of the private, personal tussles he felt quite comfortable sharing with a journalist were surprising (in venue and person he was sharing with). What my kids call TMI or oversharing. It felt like GA was confusing the number of his wife, close friends, confidants, with that of at least one "journalist". I also found a latent victim personality lurking in those texts that were not in alignment with the "mover and shaker" public persona we were consuming otherwise. At the end of the day, like almost all <oregonian journalist name here> articles I somehow find myself reading, I basically wish I hadn't read it. And while I understand journalists feel a compulsion to print whatever they come across that is even vaguely newsworthy, I think this oregonian fellow also showed poor judgement in publishing these seemingly private texts, but GA gave him the opportunity and fodder (and apparently some level of approval) to exercise that poor judgement. I think I feel that way because I am not sure how those texts will advance the cause of Beaver football, but that is not the criteria I expect others to hold...... Oh well, someday I will learn to stay away from clickbait. Go Beavers!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 11, 2017 7:55:25 GMT -8
The oregonian reporter is a known commodity here, I have nothing positive, complimentary or additional to add on that topic (I have a very low opinion of him as well). Our former HC is a very interesting enigma of a man, someone you would be fascinated with were he not presiding over the continued decline of what we really care about: Beaver FB. He seemed to be a solid character, yet he apparently held a low opinion of most all of his colleagues. Many of these colleagues were chosen and hired by him. Whether he was confronting those colleagues about their performance, he sure was sharing with a (supposed) journalist. Rather than befriend a quality journalist like Eggers, he chose the oregonian reporter. He couldn't keep track of a key contributor WR, but he could go all TMI with his text messaging. While I admire his 'generosity' in walking away from $12+M, I do wonder about his decision making and financial acumen (a point I made in another post, no one would likely have hated him for crafting a, say, $3M exit package, which likely might have been better for his family [note - I say that with no knowledge of his financial situation in life]) etc. etc..... Now that he is not presiding over Beaver FB however, while I find him still enigmatic, I am glad we are headed in a different direction, regardless of what it might be. Let's find new problems, the set of issues this past group of coaches brought to the party was too much for all involved (including, apparently, the coaches). I long for days where winning seasons are in the realm of possibility and occur at least occasionally, my family can consider attending a Beaver bowl game over holiday season a couple of times a decade, and the losses are competitive and entertaining. Right now, I have none of that..... Go Beavers! His exit package is being able wo walk away from the dumpster fire and get paid through the end of the year. This next week or two is going to be rough on the family, and every further revelation could be hard, but sometimes just knowing you don't have to force yourself to go back to that mess every day is a big relief. If he had tried to stick it out he'd probably have had a stroke or heart attack, that would have been worse on the family I suspect.
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Post by nabeav on Oct 11, 2017 8:49:08 GMT -8
Given the texts, it seemed his mental state was getting worse as the season wore on. More accusations, more cussing, more exclamation points. It is not outside the realm of possibility that his family maybe said "yo, you need to stop....like now."
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Post by dK on Oct 11, 2017 10:46:48 GMT -8
So do we know that CGA texted this stuff directly to assClownzano? No we don't. At least from the words in the article. It's possible that the texts were between CGA and someone else. And that someone else forwarded the texts to assClownzano. Nowhere in that excerpt from the article does it explicitly state that CGA and assClownzano texted directly with each other. In fact "some of his own words, sent to me via text" could mean many things. They could have been transcribed from a private verbal conversation between CGA and someone, and then texted to assClownzano. I really find it hard to believe that a person in CGA's position would be texting a reporter this kind of stuff. Not to nitpick too much and not to say that other writers at the little o are any better, but I have never considered jc a reporter. He is a columnist and a canocrappo one at that.
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Post by blastingsand on Oct 11, 2017 11:48:12 GMT -8
So when Anderson needs to vent he goes to Clownzano for it? We definitely had the wrong coach.
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 11, 2017 12:05:59 GMT -8
So when Anderson needs to vent he goes to Clownzano for it? We definitely had the wrong coach. That's what I've been saying. Of all the media types in all the land, CGA picks the dude who ordered the Skip Bayless Starter Kit off of Amazon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 12:17:05 GMT -8
Finally figured out the "natives" in this text:
Andersen (Oct. 1): "I could give a flying (expletive) about natives! I have not looked or listened to any of that (expletive) good or bad... My plan won't change. Coach my (expletive) off for these kids seven more times!! They will get all I got!! ... I will grind for these fans they deserve that!!!"
Evidently Canswallow was baiting GA with a question about the natives being restless, but of course jc was too cowardly to include the full transcript, or his own texts. GA is a hothead but at least he is not a scumsack.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 11, 2017 14:37:24 GMT -8
So... I'll throw this out there as completely speculative, but it fits some of the narrative of GA leaving the $$$ on the table. I'm not sure what "other" issues there were or may come to light, BUT is it possible the texts were part of his "mutually" agreeing to leave??? I mean if the texts were sent or leaked and GA was aware of them going to be made public, along with whatever he and Barnes discussed probably a 'for cause termination" offense. So... he goes to Barnes, or clownzano informs Barnes/Ray/GA and sends them the messages... poof! Mutually agreed termination without a buyout. Maybe??? Maybe part of the "real" story?
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Post by obf on Oct 11, 2017 14:40:09 GMT -8
Finally figured out the "natives" in this text: Andersen (Oct. 1): "I could give a flying (expletive) about natives! I have not looked or listened to any of that (expletive) good or bad... My plan won't change. Coach my (expletive) off for these kids seven more times!! They will get all I got!! ... I will grind for these fans they deserve that!!!" Evidently Canswallow was baiting GA with a question about the natives being restless, but of course jc was too cowardly to include the full transcript, or his own texts. GA is a hothead but at least he is not a scumsack. Is that coming from clownzano's radio show, or the comments section, or??? Or are you just speculating? Not that we mind speculation round these parts
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