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Post by lebaneaver on Jul 15, 2020 7:53:52 GMT -8
I guess the question is, are schools essential? If the answer is yes, then figure out a way to open them safely. If the answer is no.............woe be our future........ Go Beavs!! Agreed. We need to figure it out, and do it right.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 15, 2020 8:35:19 GMT -8
I understand I'm in a pretty privileged situation that I can work from home now, so schools opening or not will not affect our family too much.
Our school district is giving kids grades 3-12 the option of going to school 2 days a week and learning online the other 3, or just doing straight online learning. From a physical health standpoint, I know that keeping them home all five days is the right option. Less contact, less risk.
However, I do believe that at least half of what is learned in school is not what's in the text books. Learning how to deal with people, respect for others, social interaction, etc. is also a very important part of the equation in my mind. I've also seen how down and moody they've gotten over these last four months cooped up at home with minimal interaction with their friends. They want to go to school. So do I accept the risk of sending them to a socially distanced classroom a couple times a week for the benefit of their mental health?
It's a very, very tricky situation, and I think you could ask ten different people and get seven different answers on what is "right."
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Jul 15, 2020 9:06:28 GMT -8
I understand I'm in a pretty privileged situation that I can work from home now, so schools opening or not will not affect our family too much. Our school district is giving kids grades 3-12 the option of going to school 2 days a week and learning online the other 3, or just doing straight online learning. From a physical health standpoint, I know that keeping them home all five days is the right option. Less contact, less risk. However, I do believe that at least half of what is learned in school is not what's in the text books. Learning how to deal with people, respect for others, social interaction, etc. is also a very important part of the equation in my mind. I've also seen how down and moody they've gotten over these last four months cooped up at home with minimal interaction with their friends. They want to go to school. So do I accept the risk of sending them to a socially distanced classroom a couple times a week for the benefit of their mental health? It's a very, very tricky situation, and I think you could ask ten different people and get seven different answers on what is "right." I have a couple of co-workers with kids in school. They both expressed that the online schooling was a waste of time for their children. Very little gained from it. No interaction with the teachers. In both cases both parents have full time jobs so that further detracts from online. If they don’t want to open the school then my suggestion would be to home school and bypass the online schooling. I know a few people that started doing this last spring and it was working out.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 15, 2020 9:35:05 GMT -8
I understand I'm in a pretty privileged situation that I can work from home now, so schools opening or not will not affect our family too much. Our school district is giving kids grades 3-12 the option of going to school 2 days a week and learning online the other 3, or just doing straight online learning. From a physical health standpoint, I know that keeping them home all five days is the right option. Less contact, less risk. However, I do believe that at least half of what is learned in school is not what's in the text books. Learning how to deal with people, respect for others, social interaction, etc. is also a very important part of the equation in my mind. I've also seen how down and moody they've gotten over these last four months cooped up at home with minimal interaction with their friends. They want to go to school. So do I accept the risk of sending them to a socially distanced classroom a couple times a week for the benefit of their mental health? It's a very, very tricky situation, and I think you could ask ten different people and get seven different answers on what is "right." I have a couple of co-workers with kids in school. They both expressed that the online schooling was a waste of time for their children. Very little gained from it. No interaction with the teachers. In both cases both parents have full time jobs so that further detracts from online. If they don’t want to open the school then my suggestion would be to home school and bypass the online schooling. I know a few people that started doing this last spring and it was working out. Online schooling was a joke in the spring, at least in our district. It was an email from the teacher in the morning with a couple of pages of a workbook to do that took maybe 20 minutes. One optional zoom chat with the class a week. We've been told by the district that it will be different in the fall, more of a "tune into a normal class from your computer" type of situation. I can get behind that, provided my kids can be mature enough to pay attention. Home schooling sounds awful. I'm not equipped to teach two kids four years apart for several hours a day. I'm not a teacher. I don't know how to teach. I know stuff, but am I going to deliver it in a way that is effective for my kids to absorb it? Plus, I work. I'm gonna work all day then teach all evening? It can be done, sure, but do I want to do it? Only as a last resort. Huge props to the people that do home school though. My kids would ask me "how do you know?" every 10 seconds and dismiss anything I told them that was contrary to what they saw on TikTok or heard from a friend.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 15, 2020 10:41:19 GMT -8
I have a couple of co-workers with kids in school. They both expressed that the online schooling was a waste of time for their children. Very little gained from it. No interaction with the teachers. In both cases both parents have full time jobs so that further detracts from online. If they don’t want to open the school then my suggestion would be to home school and bypass the online schooling. I know a few people that started doing this last spring and it was working out. Online schooling was a joke in the spring, at least in our district. It was an email from the teacher in the morning with a couple of pages of a workbook to do that took maybe 20 minutes. One optional zoom chat with the class a week. We've been told by the district that it will be different in the fall, more of a "tune into a normal class from your computer" type of situation. I can get behind that, provided my kids can be mature enough to pay attention. Home schooling sounds awful. I'm not equipped to teach two kids four years apart for several hours a day. I'm not a teacher. I don't know how to teach. I know stuff, but am I going to deliver it in a way that is effective for my kids to absorb it? Plus, I work. I'm gonna work all day then teach all evening? It can be done, sure, but do I want to do it? Only as a last resort. Huge props to the people that do home school though. My kids would ask me "how do you know?" every 10 seconds and dismiss anything I told them that was contrary to what they saw on TikTok or heard from a friend. That made me laugh. I get it! When we coached youth football for years, we would ask a fellow coach to tell my kid what he should have done on a certain play and vice-versa. It always received an "Ok, coach" instead of "That's what I did!" Ha ha
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Post by ochobeavo on Jul 15, 2020 11:03:18 GMT -8
I have a couple of co-workers with kids in school. They both expressed that the online schooling was a waste of time for their children. Very little gained from it. No interaction with the teachers. In both cases both parents have full time jobs so that further detracts from online. If they don’t want to open the school then my suggestion would be to home school and bypass the online schooling. I know a few people that started doing this last spring and it was working out. Online schooling was a joke in the spring, at least in our district. It was an email from the teacher in the morning with a couple of pages of a workbook to do that took maybe 20 minutes. One optional zoom chat with the class a week. We've been told by the district that it will be different in the fall, more of a "tune into a normal class from your computer" type of situation. I can get behind that, provided my kids can be mature enough to pay attention. Home schooling sounds awful. I'm not equipped to teach two kids four years apart for several hours a day. I'm not a teacher. I don't know how to teach. I know stuff, but am I going to deliver it in a way that is effective for my kids to absorb it? Plus, I work. I'm gonna work all day then teach all evening? It can be done, sure, but do I want to do it? Only as a last resort. Huge props to the people that do home school though. My kids would ask me "how do you know?" every 10 seconds and dismiss anything I told them that was contrary to what they saw on TikTok or heard from a friend. Online classes at all levels are looking pretty ineffective. My son had an online course spring term from SOU and the professor told them to feel free to google answers during a quiz. Unreal.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 15, 2020 13:49:27 GMT -8
I guess the question is, are schools essential? If the answer is yes, then figure out a way to open them safely. If the answer is no.............woe be our future........ Go Beavs!! I read a great tweet or reddit post somewhere to the effect that in the grand scheme of things, if kids take a year off school or college, how does that matter if it saves lives and literally thousands of kids and teachers from getting sick. So my kids graduate high school at 19 or college at 23. They aren't going to forget where they are or lose their place, it would take 2 weeks of school at most for them to get back right where they left off. Kids adapt easy to whatever you throw at them. As for the socialization thing, who you kidding. My kids are seeing their friends. It's basically been a long summer. I'm fine with that turning into a premature gap year if that's what it takes. My opinion is At least give the schools time to figure out a safe way to proceed. Business as usual with 30 kids in a classroom, in 6 different classrooms a day, ain't gonna cut it. If the schools can figure out how to hold classes safely for the students and maybe more importantly, the staff, I'll have no problem sending my kids back to school. I know some school districts have good plans, ours are still working on a strategy.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 15, 2020 14:05:55 GMT -8
I guess the question is, are schools essential? If the answer is yes, then figure out a way to open them safely. If the answer is no.............woe be our future........ Go Beavs!! I read a great tweet or reddit post somewhere to the effect that in the grand scheme of things, if kids take a year off school or college, how does that matter if it saves lives and literally thousands of kids and teachers from getting sick. So my kids graduate high school at 19 or college at 23. They aren't going to forget where they are or lose their place, it would take 2 weeks of school at most for them to get back right where they left off. Kids adapt easy to whatever you throw at them. As for the socialization thing, who you kidding. My kids are seeing their friends. It's basically been a long summer. I'm fine with that turning into a premature gap year if that's what it takes. My opinion is At least give the schools time to figure out a safe way to proceed. Business as usual with 30 kids in a classroom, in 6 different classrooms a day, ain't gonna cut it. If the schools can figure out how to hold classes safely for the students and maybe more importantly, the staff, I'll have no problem sending my kids back to school. I know some school districts have good plans, ours are still working on a strategy. Funny contradictions! "..who you kidding. My kids are seeing their friends." But it's unacceptable for them to do the same in the school? "Kids adapt easy to whatever you throw at them." Even going to school while dealing with Covid-19 then? Then you're also fine with zero youth sports? That would have a terrible impact on my kids mental health. It's been bad enough already. Sure they still work out on their own, but what percentage of other kids do? Back to the friends thing, it's also important to have the experience of working around other kids that aren't their friends, dealing with tough situations, etc. I think it would be a bad deal. It would also put many families with younger kids in a serious pinch as well. As far as all these schools planning on how the kids will social distance? Forget it! Once they hit the halls it's over. Quit spending time trying to figure out something that is futile. It's a waste of valuable time and energy. I know Lebanon, I am an ignorant Red Hat wearing Trump voter, blah blah blah. My wife is the Education Czar in our house, and she agrees with going back full time as is, and while you might think I'm a knothead, she's a pretty smart cookie.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 15, 2020 14:15:26 GMT -8
I read a great tweet or reddit post somewhere to the effect that in the grand scheme of things, if kids take a year off school or college, how does that matter if it saves lives and literally thousands of kids and teachers from getting sick. So my kids graduate high school at 19 or college at 23. They aren't going to forget where they are or lose their place, it would take 2 weeks of school at most for them to get back right where they left off. Kids adapt easy to whatever you throw at them. As for the socialization thing, who you kidding. My kids are seeing their friends. It's basically been a long summer. I'm fine with that turning into a premature gap year if that's what it takes. My opinion is At least give the schools time to figure out a safe way to proceed. Business as usual with 30 kids in a classroom, in 6 different classrooms a day, ain't gonna cut it. If the schools can figure out how to hold classes safely for the students and maybe more importantly, the staff, I'll have no problem sending my kids back to school. I know some school districts have good plans, ours are still working on a strategy. Funny contradictions! "..who you kidding. My kids are seeing their friends." But it's unacceptable for them to do the same in the school? "Kids adapt easy to whatever you throw at them." Even going to school while dealing with Covid-19 then? Then you're also fine with zero youth sports? That would have a terrible impact on my kids mental health. It's been bad enough already. Sure they still work out on their own, but what percentage of other kids do? Back to the friends thing, it's also important to have the experience of working around other kids that aren't their friends, dealing with tough situations, etc. I think it would be a bad deal. It would also put many families with younger kids in a serious pinch as well. As far as all these schools planning on how the kids will social distance? Forget it! Once they hit the halls it's over. Quit spending time trying to figure out something that is futile. It's a waste of valuable time and energy. I know Lebanon, I am an ignorant Red Hat wearing Trump voter, blah blah blah. My wife is the Education Czar in our house, and she agrees with going back full time as is, and while you might think I'm a knothead, she's a pretty smart cookie. Is it a contradiction Spud or are you that obtuse to think my kids have 29 other friends hanging out with them in the same living room for 6 hours a day, every day? And you know, while you threw all that s%#t at the wall praying something sticks, you ignored the part where I said I'm fine with my kids going back to school if the school district can figure out a way to do so safely.
LOL your precious baby's mental health if they can't play sports. Mine are pretty resilient and educated, they will miss it for sure. They also totally get it with everything going on. They also saw how sick I was and they sure AF don't want to get it, nor forced into a situation where they likely will get it. So if their sport gets cancelled they will just train and get ready for the next season.
I follow/am friends with a good dozen or so teachers and/or administrators (my dad was one for 30 years), not a single one is advocating starting school up with no safety measures. Almost all of them are posting s%#t about how stupid this would be. Maybe your household education tzar could apply for a teaching job in Orange County, I hear they are hiring.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 15, 2020 14:59:38 GMT -8
I have a couple of co-workers with kids in school. They both expressed that the online schooling was a waste of time for their children. Very little gained from it. No interaction with the teachers. In both cases both parents have full time jobs so that further detracts from online. If they don’t want to open the school then my suggestion would be to home school and bypass the online schooling. I know a few people that started doing this last spring and it was working out. Online schooling was a joke in the spring, at least in our district. It was an email from the teacher in the morning with a couple of pages of a workbook to do that took maybe 20 minutes. One optional zoom chat with the class a week. We've been told by the district that it will be different in the fall, more of a "tune into a normal class from your computer" type of situation. I can get behind that, provided my kids can be mature enough to pay attention. Home schooling sounds awful. I'm not equipped to teach two kids four years apart for several hours a day. I'm not a teacher. I don't know how to teach. I know stuff, but am I going to deliver it in a way that is effective for my kids to absorb it? Plus, I work. I'm gonna work all day then teach all evening? It can be done, sure, but do I want to do it? Only as a last resort. Huge props to the people that do home school though. My kids would ask me "how do you know?" every 10 seconds and dismiss anything I told them that was contrary to what they saw on TikTok or heard from a friend. My wife is a middle school math teacher. Online school was a complete disaster. All it did was greatly exacerbate the inequities teachers struggle with already in the classroom. The kids that already are good students, continued to be good students. the kids that were struggling, but trying, were hit hardest, and performed worse. Kids that were bad students before just didn't show up, and kids from poor families with no computers or internet access were lost. They never showed up to get their packets and never did the work. it highlights the massive problem with income inequality. Middle school kids were now babysitters for their grade school brothers and sisters while their parents worked. A problem more prevalent among lower income and minority families. They weren't coming to zoom meeting in the middle of the day because they were changing diapers in some cases. America is in an absolute crisis, as much as this is a football board and we all love and want to see football come back, America SHOULD be rallying behind doing everything it can to ensure schools can open. And yet, despite the very likely threat school will be online again in the fall, far, far too many incomprehensibly selfish and stupid people refuse to participate in working together to get this thing under control.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jul 15, 2020 15:12:48 GMT -8
The way some people think wearing masks is somehow an infringement on some right. I Wonder If these same people would care if food handlers in a restaurant never washed their hands after taking a cra# even though signs are everywhere to wash their hands.
It is unbelievable how some people are unwilling to help slow a virus with such a simple effort. To equate it to sports Since this is a sport board I wouldn't want these people as teammates
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 15, 2020 15:19:12 GMT -8
Funny contradictions! "..who you kidding. My kids are seeing their friends." But it's unacceptable for them to do the same in the school? "Kids adapt easy to whatever you throw at them." Even going to school while dealing with Covid-19 then? Then you're also fine with zero youth sports? That would have a terrible impact on my kids mental health. It's been bad enough already. Sure they still work out on their own, but what percentage of other kids do? Back to the friends thing, it's also important to have the experience of working around other kids that aren't their friends, dealing with tough situations, etc. I think it would be a bad deal. It would also put many families with younger kids in a serious pinch as well. As far as all these schools planning on how the kids will social distance? Forget it! Once they hit the halls it's over. Quit spending time trying to figure out something that is futile. It's a waste of valuable time and energy. I know Lebanon, I am an ignorant Red Hat wearing Trump voter, blah blah blah. My wife is the Education Czar in our house, and she agrees with going back full time as is, and while you might think I'm a knothead, she's a pretty smart cookie. Is it a contradiction Spud or are you that obtuse to think my kids have 29 other friends hanging out with them in the same living room for 6 hours a day, every day? And you know, while you threw all that s%#t at the wall praying something sticks, you ignored the part where I said I'm fine with my kids going back to school if the school district can figure out a way to do so safely.
LOL your precious baby's mental health if they can't play sports. Mine are pretty resilient and educated, they will miss it for sure. They also totally get it with everything going on. They also saw how sick I was and they sure AF don't want to get it, nor forced into a situation where they likely will get it. So if their sport gets cancelled they will just train and get ready for the next season.
I follow/am friends with a good dozen or so teachers and/or administrators (my dad was one for 30 years), not a single one is advocating starting school up with no safety measures. Almost all of them are posting s%#t about how stupid this would be. Maybe your household education tzar could apply for a teaching job in Orange County, I hear they are hiring.
Ouch! Bitter much? Geez. Nice attacks. By the way, "obtuse" is getting some good use around this board. Maybe Shawshank Redemption has been playing on the streaming services a lot lately. Oh well. By the way, regarding sports, some kids aren't lucky like yours and there is no next season if they have online school with no sports. But that's ok, right? By the way, you spelled Czar or Tsar wrong, and I already lived in the LA area a couple times so no thanks to that.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 15, 2020 15:22:23 GMT -8
The way some people think wearing masks is somehow an infringement on some right. I Wonder If these same people would care if food handlers in a restaurant never washed their hands after taking a cra# even though signs are everywhere to wash their hands. It is unbelievable how some people are unwilling to help slow a virus with such a simple effort. To equate it to sports Since this is a sport board I wouldn't want these people as teammates I wear a mask where required at all times. But I have a question for you because I don't believe that cutting up an old Cheap Trick concert T-shirt and strapping to my face does anything, that only a N95 mask stops the virus. Do you believe that these homemade masks made of a hodge-podge of fabrics really work and keep the virus out?
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Post by pitbeavs on Jul 15, 2020 15:29:52 GMT -8
I guess the question is, are schools essential? If the answer is yes, then figure out a way to open them safely. If the answer is no.............woe be our future........ Go Beavs!! There is no way to open them safely.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jul 15, 2020 15:31:06 GMT -8
The way some people think wearing masks is somehow an infringement on some right. I Wonder If these same people would care if food handlers in a restaurant never washed their hands after taking a cra# even though signs are everywhere to wash their hands. It is unbelievable how some people are unwilling to help slow a virus with such a simple effort. To equate it to sports Since this is a sport board I wouldn't want these people as teammates I wear a mask where required at all times. But I have a question for you because I don't believe that cutting up an old Cheap Trick concert T-shirt and strapping to my face does anything, that only a N95 mask stops the virus. Do you believe that these homemade masks made of a hodge-podge of fabrics really work and keep the virus out? From what the experts say yes I do. The way I look at it the stop of any moisture coming from my mouth or to my mouth is better than not doing anything and let 100% of my mouth spray go and come.
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