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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 29, 2017 12:06:08 GMT -8
Other than the inherent risk in the hiring process and having it work out, we already took too big of risk in "handing" GA the job and wasted (3) years. We did not hold a search, vetted no other candidates, and held no interviews other than GA (and seemingly references... some who may have had other reasons to say great things!?). So other than the built in chance of success/failure with any new hire OSU can not in any way short change this hire and add to the risk level with an unproven candidate. Saying that, Coach Hall in no way has the credentials to be on any search firm's hiring list, let alone get more than the cursory "thank you for your service in a tough situation" interview. So, the "real life" facts of how D1 HC searches are done, even at our current level of success, Coach Hall will not be on the list. Win or lose any of our remaining games, the list/contacts will be made long before our season is completed. I hoping thru suggestions and recommendations OSU gets enough quality candidates that are anxious to get going to have him on board by Dec 20th. IMHO if Coach Hall is even on the long list Prez Ray wasted money on a search firm. However, if Coach Hall is making recruiting connections and keeping/gaining interest he should be kept on staff. Either by the new HC or by the AD's office. Just as Brennan served as a liaison between coaching staffs, Coach Hall would be even better in that role. You are probably right and whoever that search firm tells them to hire will likely be a massive disaster. But at least the AD will be able to claim he used a thorough process and the guy had a stellar resume. I'd argue the search firm is a waste of money, great coaches aren't found by reading resumes. I'm thinking the biggest reason to have a search firm is to give any actual good coach who may be interested in the job the ability to say "I have not been in contact with Oregon State about their vacant position". Having a search firm opens up the candidate pool a bit.
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Post by ostate on Oct 29, 2017 12:11:39 GMT -8
You are probably right and whoever that search firm tells them to hire will likely be a massive disaster. But at least the AD will be able to claim he used a thorough process and the guy had a stellar resume. I'd argue the search firm is a waste of money, great coaches aren't found by reading resumes. I'm thinking the biggest reason to have a search firm is to give any actual good coach who may be interested in the job the ability to say "I have not been in contact with Oregon State about their vacant position". Having a search firm opens up the candidate pool a bit. Doesn't the use of a search firm allow OR State to not 'ask permission' from another university to talk to their coach(s) too?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 12:33:07 GMT -8
You are probably right and whoever that search firm tells them to hire will likely be a massive disaster. But at least the AD will be able to claim he used a thorough process and the guy had a stellar resume. I'd argue the search firm is a waste of money, great coaches aren't found by reading resumes. Well... its pretty in-depth these days. Most of it is networking with known HCs and making connections with quality individuals based on recommendations/interest, then after vetting/narrowing the pool to "actual" candidates, the firm does a lot more specific "digging" to form the list going to Barnes and Ray. This is a big time/ well thought of search firm. As with any HC hire there is no guarantees, but you're paying them for the extensive legwork college administrators do not have time to do as in-depth as it should be. When the pool is narrowed the admin can then go to work with their connections/vetting. Yeah, I understand how search firms work. You really like talking down to people don't you? Make's you feel smart does it?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 29, 2017 12:36:58 GMT -8
Doesn't the use of a search firm allow OR State to not 'ask permission' from another university to talk to their coach(s) too?
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It's professional courtesy, but in no way,shape or form is it required.
As DASB said, search firms enable an AD to use an intermediary to determine a potential candidate's interest, while giving the AD plausible deniability. And it lets a potential candidate indicate his interest to OSU, without having his current employer find out. It's not a waste of time and/or money.
The search firm will not tell Barnes who to hire.
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Post by EOBeav on Oct 29, 2017 13:13:22 GMT -8
Another point about using search firms: Barnes is way too busy as an AD to vet potential candidates himself. Even if he delegates that to support staff, it's still a huge responsibility. Securing the services of somebody who has proven success with that task year in and year out goes a long way toward getting the best coach possible. And yes, somebody whiffed with CGA, it happens sometimes. As a rule, though, it's a recommended approach and one that is employed by many different sectors, not just college football.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 29, 2017 13:42:26 GMT -8
Well... its pretty in-depth these days. Most of it is networking with known HCs and making connections with quality individuals based on recommendations/interest, then after vetting/narrowing the pool to "actual" candidates, the firm does a lot more specific "digging" to form the list going to Barnes and Ray. This is a big time/ well thought of search firm. As with any HC hire there is no guarantees, but you're paying them for the extensive legwork college administrators do not have time to do as in-depth as it should be. When the pool is narrowed the admin can then go to work with their connections/vetting. Yeah, I understand how search firms work. You really like talking down to people don't you? Make's you feel smart does it? Lol... we'll try this once again with you... No intent to "talk down", however of your insecurities interpret the message that way there's not much a poster on this board can do to keep your feelings from being hurt... or your argumentative nature from flaring up! But, as your own post indicated that the search was "reading a bunch of resumes" I thought I'd clue you in that it's much more than that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 13:49:07 GMT -8
Yeah, I understand how search firms work. You really like talking down to people don't you? Make's you feel smart does it? Lol... we'll try this once again with you... No intent to "talk down", however of your insecurities interpret the message that way there's not much a poster on this board can do to keep your feelings from being hurt... or your argumentative nature from flaring up! But, as your own post indicated that the search was "reading a bunch of resumes" I thought I'd clue you in that it's much more than that. Nope, no insecurities nor are my feelings hurt. You are just that guy that thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and wants to prove it every chance he gets. I mean, you can't even quote me right, when you put something in quotes you really should try to be accurate. I know point did I say "reading a bunch of resumes" I know reading comprehension is hard when all you are really doing is figuring out what you are gonna type next to make yourself seem smart but you should at least try to quote someone properly. Its not that hard.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 29, 2017 13:52:27 GMT -8
Lol... we'll try this once again with you... No intent to "talk down", however of your insecurities interpret the message that way there's not much a poster on this board can do to keep your feelings from being hurt... or your argumentative nature from flaring up! But, as your own post indicated that the search was "reading a bunch of resumes" I thought I'd clue you in that it's much more than that. Nope, no insecurities nor are my feelings hurt. You are just that guy that thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and wants to prove it every chance he gets. I mean, you can't even quote me right, when you put something in quotes you really should try to be accurate. I know point did I say "reading a bunch of resumes" I know reading comprehension is hard when all you are really doing is figuring out what you are gonna type next to make yourself seem smart but you should at least try to quote someone properly. Its not that hard. Lol... yep put words I your mouth... "reading resumes" if several candidate = bunches. Now of you were more concerned with the intelligence and quantity of your own posts we'd be better off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 13:59:44 GMT -8
Nope, no insecurities nor are my feelings hurt. You are just that guy that thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and wants to prove it every chance he gets. I mean, you can't even quote me right, when you put something in quotes you really should try to be accurate. I know point did I say "reading a bunch of resumes" I know reading comprehension is hard when all you are really doing is figuring out what you are gonna type next to make yourself seem smart but you should at least try to quote someone properly. Its not that hard. Lol... yep put words I your mouth... "reading resumes" if several candidate = bunches. Now of you were more concerned with the intelligence and quantity of your own posts we'd be better off. Ah, yes...Never said you put words in my mouth, I said you misquoted me. I never even said anything about the number of candidates a search form would look at. Its called quoting someone properly. If you want to infer what I was saying you don't put it in quotes. Pretty simple. I am glad you are back to simply questioning my intelligence, stick to your strengths. FYI, you might want to try proof reading your posts before you hit submit, I know when you are angry that can be hard but this "yep put words I your mouth" was brutal to read.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 29, 2017 14:10:21 GMT -8
Lol... yep put words I your mouth... "reading resumes" if several candidate = bunches. Now of you were more concerned with the intelligence and quantity of your own posts we'd be better off. Ah, yes...Never said you put words in my mouth, I said you misquoted me. I never even said anything about the number of candidates a search form would look at. Its called quoting someone properly. If you want to infer what I was saying you don't put it in quotes. Pretty simple. I am glad you are back to simply questioning my intelligence, stick to your strengths. FYI, you might want to try proof reading your posts before you hit submit, I know when you are angry that can be hard but this "yep put words I your mouth" was brutal to read. Blahblahblahblahblah... PS- on my phone for some reason "in" and "on" sometimes come out as "I"? And, brutal seems to be a very easy thing for you to experience if that's the case. I hope you truly are not an OSU grad... or if so, the exception to the typical grads I've encountered, hired, dealt with that are mature, intelligent, and less needy. When you start actually posting content we can talk again... which I'm guessing will be...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 14:20:51 GMT -8
Ah, yes...Never said you put words in my mouth, I said you misquoted me. I never even said anything about the number of candidates a search form would look at. Its called quoting someone properly. If you want to infer what I was saying you don't put it in quotes. Pretty simple. I am glad you are back to simply questioning my intelligence, stick to your strengths. FYI, you might want to try proof reading your posts before you hit submit, I know when you are angry that can be hard but this "yep put words I your mouth" was brutal to read. Blahblahblahblahblah... PS- on my phone for some reason "in" and "on" sometimes come out as "I"? And, brutal seems to be a very easy thing for you to experience if that's the case. I hope you truly are not an OSU grad... or if so, the exception to the typical grads I've encountered, hired, dealt with that are mature, intelligent, and less needy. When you start actually posting content we can talk again... which I'm guessing will be... You amuse me. You win, you are smartest guy in the room. Everything you say is gospel. FYI, I am an OSU grad and not a fan of immature know it alls but you are kind of amusing so what they hell.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 29, 2017 18:05:51 GMT -8
Blahblahblahblahblah... PS- on my phone for some reason "in" and "on" sometimes come out as "I"? And, brutal seems to be a very easy thing for you to experience if that's the case. I hope you truly are not an OSU grad... or if so, the exception to the typical grads I've encountered, hired, dealt with that are mature, intelligent, and less needy. When you start actually posting content we can talk again... which I'm guessing will be... You amuse me. You win, you are smartest guy in the room. Everything you say is gospel. FYI, I am an OSU grad and not a fan of immature know it alls but you are kind of amusing so what they hell. " so what they hell." OMFG... a freaking typo... not proof read yet posted. Gawd that was brutal to read. 🤣 Sorry... couldn't resist. FYI... hate the 'edit police' for the most part... it's a message board... some post in haste... some have fat fingers on small keyboards. Really who cares?
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Post by Aspira-beav on Oct 29, 2017 18:29:45 GMT -8
I really hope they offer hall the job. He deserves it after the way he has rallied the troops and is bringing everyone together. I say yes to the sentiment that he needs to at least win a couple games but if he does we should DEFINATELY hire hall. Hell hes even having success recruiting and he is an interim coach. Thats not supposed to happen. There is just something special about this guy. We NEED his energy in our program.
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Post by avidbeaver on Oct 29, 2017 18:47:27 GMT -8
I really hope they offer hall the job. He deserves it after the way he has rallied the troops and is bringing everyone together. I say yes to the sentiment that he needs to at least win a couple games but if he does we should DEFINATELY hire hall. Hell hes even having success recruiting and he is an interim coach. Thats not supposed to happen. There is just something special about this guy. We NEED his energy in our program. Sorry, Hall doesn't deserve to be offered the job even if he wins a couple of games. Also, how do you know he is having success in recruiting. There is absolutely no guarantee the current commits will be coming. Likely to have some look elsewhere.
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Post by Aspira-beav on Oct 29, 2017 19:22:16 GMT -8
I really hope they offer hall the job. He deserves it after the way he has rallied the troops and is bringing everyone together. I say yes to the sentiment that he needs to at least win a couple games but if he does we should DEFINATELY hire hall. Hell hes even having success recruiting and he is an interim coach. Thats not supposed to happen. There is just something special about this guy. We NEED his energy in our program. Sorry, Hall doesn't deserve to be offered the job even if he wins a couple of games. Also, how do you know he is having success in recruiting. There is absolutely no guarantee the current commits will be coming. Likely to have some look elsewhere. recruiting success see link below (thats two recruits in one day by the way) www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/10/craig_francois_3-star_olb_comm.html#incart_river_index
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