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Oct 29, 2017 19:30:48 GMT -8
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Post by osulax24 on Oct 29, 2017 19:30:48 GMT -8
I really hope they offer hall the job. He deserves it after the way he has rallied the troops and is bringing everyone together. I say yes to the sentiment that he needs to at least win a couple games but if he does we should DEFINATELY hire hall. Hell hes even having success recruiting and he is an interim coach. Thats not supposed to happen. There is just something special about this guy. We NEED his energy in our program. Sorry, Hall doesn't deserve to be offered the job even if he wins a couple of games. Also, how do you know he is having success in recruiting. There is absolutely no guarantee the current commits will be coming. Likely to have some look elsewhere. Doing well tonight in the recruiting game..
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Oct 29, 2017 20:17:42 GMT -8
Post by xman68 on Oct 29, 2017 20:17:42 GMT -8
Who couldn't possibly be #Hallin? The man is going to have a wonderful career if not here than somewhere else. Last thing OSU needs is another retread, journeyman coach, or unproven assistant. We have a gift right now, if Barnes doesn't recognize it, than that is a testament to what retread, journeymen bring to the table.
Genius doesn't need a resume, it just needs the opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 20:18:44 GMT -8
We're talking about 3-star players, including one who hasn't even visited Corvallis yet. Hardly a good enough argument for promoting Hall.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 29, 2017 20:52:32 GMT -8
Who couldn't possibly be #Hallin? The man is going to have a wonderful career if not here than somewhere else. Last thing OSU needs is another retread, journeyman coach, or unproven assistant. We have a gift right now, if Barnes doesn't recognize it, than that is a testament to what retread, journeymen bring to the table. Genius doesn't need a resume, it just needs the opportunity. "Genius"... now who would that be? Lol
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Post by avidbeaver on Oct 29, 2017 20:57:24 GMT -8
Thats all good. I am not saying they won't be good football players. I don't get excited about any recruit until they get to school and show that they can make a difference. By the way that goes for any recruit even if they are five star or any other star. In otherwords, I compute success of recruiting by how they turn out in two to three years down the road. I have a wait and see attitude when it comes to recruiting. A lot of people get excited when they see a commitment but I don't get too excited.
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Oct 29, 2017 20:59:43 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 29, 2017 20:59:43 GMT -8
Thats all good. I am not saying they won't be good football players. I don't get excited about any recruit until they get to school and show that they can make a difference. By the way that goes for any recruit even if they are five star or any other star. In otherwords, I compute success of recruiting by how they turn out in two to three years down the road. I have a wait and see attitude when it comes to recruiting. A lot of people get excited when they see a commitment but I don't get too excited. Ya... many got very excited over a TV announcement of I remember correctly. 😉
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 29, 2017 21:01:57 GMT -8
Who couldn't possibly be #Hallin? The man is going to have a wonderful career if not here than somewhere else. Last thing OSU needs is another retread, journeyman coach, or unproven assistant. We have a gift right now, if Barnes doesn't recognize it, than that is a testament to what retread, journeymen bring to the table. Genius doesn't need a resume, it just needs the opportunity. Whoa cowboy! Genius?
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Oct 30, 2017 6:28:43 GMT -8
Post by mikeriles53 on Oct 30, 2017 6:28:43 GMT -8
hi
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 7:38:13 GMT -8
Well... its pretty in-depth these days. Most of it is networking with known HCs and making connections with quality individuals based on recommendations/interest, then after vetting/narrowing the pool to "actual" candidates, the firm does a lot more specific "digging" to form the list going to Barnes and Ray. This is a big time/ well thought of search firm. As with any HC hire there is no guarantees, but you're paying them for the extensive legwork college administrators do not have time to do as in-depth as it should be. When the pool is narrowed the admin can then go to work with their connections/vetting. Yeah, I understand how search firms work. You really like talking down to people don't you? Make's you feel smart does it? I have no knowledge of other conversations between you two....but I read his post several times. I found nothing condescending in the least. It was straight information.
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Oct 30, 2017 7:51:25 GMT -8
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Post by shelby on Oct 30, 2017 7:51:25 GMT -8
Excuse slow pitch 7-11, He has a communication problem...
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 30, 2017 9:15:21 GMT -8
Ok, I am late to the party, but IMO either you give a coach at least a 4 year contract so he has some credibility with the fan base and recruits, or you don't make him head coach. No coach worth his salt is going to go for a 1 year contract unless he is desperate. Coach Hall is anything but that; a year or two as a D coordinator and he is going to be a hot commodity given what I have seen so far, but don't insult him and damage the program further with this one and potentially done contract talk, please.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 9:41:04 GMT -8
Who couldn't possibly be #Hallin? The man is going to have a wonderful career if not here than somewhere else. Last thing OSU needs is another retread, journeyman coach, or unproven assistant. We have a gift right now, if Barnes doesn't recognize it, than that is a testament to what retread, journeymen bring to the table. Genius doesn't need a resume, it just needs the opportunity. That's quite a first post.... Welcome to the board
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Oct 31, 2017 7:17:50 GMT -8
Post by xman68 on Oct 31, 2017 7:17:50 GMT -8
Who couldn't possibly be #Hallin? The man is going to have a wonderful career if not here than somewhere else. Last thing OSU needs is another retread, journeyman coach, or unproven assistant. We have a gift right now, if Barnes doesn't recognize it, than that is a testament to what retread, journeymen bring to the table. Genius doesn't need a resume, it just needs the opportunity. "Genius"... now who would that be? Lol Genius-a person who is exceptionally intelligent or creative, either generally or in some particular respect. Cory is. He has an innate ability to motivate young men, they will play harder for him than anyone else. He get's it, he gets them excited, he gets them believing in themselves. That is something a journeyman, retread, or coordinator, doesn't necessarily have, it is something you cannot buy. And it is something all great coaches have. One can learn X's and O's, one can learn game management, one can hire well qualified assistants. But one cannot just pick this skill up, which Cory is a genius at. To me that is why so many coaches are good or OK, and very few are great. And that is why I am in #Hallin.
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Oct 31, 2017 7:31:24 GMT -8
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Post by rockybeav on Oct 31, 2017 7:31:24 GMT -8
OSU deserves and needs a nationwide search for a new head coach. Hall is a professional and understands this. If he is the best candidate after an exhaustive search, then awesome. If he isn’t, he will understand. Hall is getting an amazing opportunity, and he knows this and sounds grateful.
In my ideal world, the new head coach would keep Hall on board as either the highest paid position coach/recruiting director or as the D Coordinator. I like Norvell personally, and I think Baldwin will get strong consideration (Eggers wrote yesterday that he and Barnes worked together at EWU). If an offensive-minded coach gets hired, it’s feasible that Hall gets a shot at remaining on staff, possibly as D coordinator.
He has the makings of a great head coach, but to promote him after a tumultuous half-season is a disservice to the program. If he is the best choice after interviewing other coaches then I’m all for it. We have no clue who may be interested, and I’m sure there are names out there we haven’t thought of.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 31, 2017 7:55:25 GMT -8
"Genius"... now who would that be? Lol Genius-a person who is exceptionally intelligent or creative, either generally or in some particular respect. Cory is. He has an innate ability to motivate young men, they will play harder for him than anyone else. He get's it, he gets them excited, he gets them believing in themselves. That is something a journeyman, retread, or coordinator, doesn't necessarily have, it is something you cannot buy. And it is something all great coaches have. One can learn X's and O's, one can learn game management, one can hire well qualified assistants. But one cannot just pick this skill up, which Cory is a genius at. To me that is why so many coaches are good or OK, and very few are great. And that is why I am in #Hallin. Ya... there's 100's if not 1000's of motivated, enthusiastic young coaches out there that build great relationships with student athletes. Exceptional ability? Not really. No slam on coach Hall, but they're are a more than a few who'd have had the same effect if they'd been on staff during GA's tenure and were picked as interim. You seem too forget coach Hall isn't the only one coaching. No one really knows his actually input. No one really can measure the "Hall effect" vs the "no GA effect" in both players and coaches. And to be honest I've rarely if ever heard his name brought up by staff or players until his promotion. Genius? Hardly. Making the best of a bad situation and igniting the positive emotions of normally emotional 18-22 y/o football players? Yep But, don't fool yourself. This is yummy "frosting" on a terribly prepared "cake". This team will need to be rebuilt, not just emotionally, by an experienced HC.
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