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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 29, 2017 17:29:55 GMT -8
Somebody up there must know how to coach offense. I've heard that Chris Petersen knows a thing or two about offense. True dat. So I doubt he'd hire an unqualified coach at Boise State and at Washington, and then make him a coordinator. It's entirely possible, though, that Pete called all the good plays and Smith all the bad ones.
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Nov 29, 2017 18:44:46 GMT -8
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Post by jimbeav on Nov 29, 2017 18:44:46 GMT -8
Is that really his Twitter handle? #coachsmith_9? (I don't do Twitter). For some reason I find that kinda cool. We always refer to him as niner, it's nice to know that's how he still identifies himself, with his old Beaver number...
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Post by thomasg86 on Nov 29, 2017 19:02:47 GMT -8
Alright, upon reflection, I'm in!
LET'S F**CKING GO!!!
Hire a great staff and I think this could work.
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Nov 29, 2017 23:05:45 GMT -8
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Post by blackbug on Nov 29, 2017 23:05:45 GMT -8
There are potential negatives with the hire, but I think it is mostly positive. Pulling a coach from the established coordinator ranks was always an option. I do not see a better option from coordinators. I would be interested in who would have been a better option as a current coordinator. Other options would have been stealing an established P5 coach, inactive past successful coaches, promoting a non-P5 coach, coaches from the NFL, and promoting a lower division coach.
I and others may have been happier with the other ways of finding the coach. This does not mean promoting a coordinator is bad. Once a coordinator is promoted by a group of 5 team it is often difficult to obtain that coach. Peterson is an example of this, many tried before Washington. Big name inactive coaches that are desirable are extremely difficult to get. They always wait for just the right job. Convincing NFL coaches to come is very difficult without a connection. When your pay and reputation are average at best; it is a good option to find the best coach to promote before a group of 5 college.
Current Pac 12 coaches: Washington- promoted G5 Washington State-inactive coach Oregon-promoted G5 Cal-promoted coordinator Stanford- promoted coordinator UCLA- inactive USC- promoted coordinator Col- promoted G5 Utah- promoted coordinator ASU- last coach stole from P5 Arizona- inactive
The last coordinator we promoted was Riley and that turned good, as far as I know.
Also baseba2222 you are wrong again. Smith is credited as the primary recruiter on the two 4 star quarterbacks in the current Washington class. All had to was look at one class.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 29, 2017 23:10:00 GMT -8
There are potential negatives with the hire, but I think it is mostly positive. Pulling a coach from the established coordinator ranks was always an option. I do not see a better option from coordinators. I would be interested in who would have been a better option as a current coordinator. Other options would have been stealing an established P5 coach, inactive past successful coaches, promoting a non-P5 coach, coaches from the NFL, and promoting a lower division coach. I and others may have been happier with the other ways of finding the coach. This does not mean promoting a coordinator is bad. Once a coordinator is promoted by a group of 5 team it is often difficult to obtain that coach. Peterson is an example of this, many tried before Washington. Big name inactive coaches that are desirable are extremely difficult to get. They always wait for just the right job. Convincing NFL coaches to come is very difficult without a connection. When your pay and reputation are average at best; it is a good option to find the best coach to promote before a group of 5 college. Current Pac 12 coaches: Washington- promoted G5 Washington State-inactive coach Oregon-promoted G5 Cal-promoted coordinator Stanford- promoted coordinator UCLA- inactive USC- promoted coordinator Col- promoted G5 Utah- promoted coordinator ASU- last coach stole from P5 Arizona- inactive The last coordinator we promoted was Riley and that turned good, as far as I know. Also baseba2222 you are wrong again. Smith is credited as the primary recruiter on the two 4 star quarterbacks in the current Washington class. All had to was look at one class. First, I can tell you what is listed on recruiting sites is about as accurate as wiki. And... I can tell you for a fact he wasn't on one of them... even though listed the kid only has met him once and was on his unofficial. And, I only had to talk to his dad.
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Nov 29, 2017 23:17:50 GMT -8
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Post by gnawitall on Nov 29, 2017 23:17:50 GMT -8
You mean the QB of the team that broke said streak? Or the QB that took his number 1-4 (in pretty much every preseason poll) ranked team to 5 wins while fans were calling for him to be benched his senior season? My biggest question about Jonathan is does his personality fit for being a head coach. He's a pleasant enough guy and I'm high on his football IQ, and I think he'll put together a good staff, but he's kind of an introvert. How many introverted coaches are making it big at this level? I don"t know. Having Jackson and Anderson in the wings sure helped that cry. Also, too lazy to look it up but if my memory serves me right we lost L. Jackson and D. Grant and that hurt us.
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Post by matthew on Nov 29, 2017 23:33:12 GMT -8
Why would anyone leak the story first to Canzano? The guy that crossed Andersen and uses victims as props. Fire the AD's communication staff. So he'd get it before Danny Moron. Why give it to either Oregonian hater? If you're going to leak, send it to the Tribune or GT. That, said, I hate leakers. After getting run through an SEC (not the conference) leak investigation, I've grown to hate these that blab.
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Post by biggieorange on Nov 30, 2017 8:10:38 GMT -8
I am okay with this. Beau Baldwin or Niner is a dice roll. Niner at least has more D-1 and pac-12 experience. Niner has as much OC experience as Tom Herman had when Houston hired him. Niner coached for Erickson, Riley and Petersen. Some brilliant minds. All of this is made or broken on his coordinator hires and assistants. Ill +1 this. At first blush, I feel like OSU just hired a guy to make themselves feel better right now, but with the correct staff I like it. At least the QB/Offense situation will improve, because it has to. Plus as the last staff learned in the Pac12 you have to score ~27 pts a game, just to be competitive.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 30, 2017 8:35:04 GMT -8
So he'd get it before Danny Moron. Why give it to either Oregonian hater? If you're going to leak, send it to the Tribune or GT. That, said, I hate leakers. After getting run through an SEC (not the conference) leak investigation, I've grown to hate these that blab. Re: O-Live paranoia - Did I miss something or are we 100% positive that someone from the athletic dept was leaking to the O? There are plenty of moving parts here - agents, UW, Beau Baldwin's mom, Cory Hall, etc.
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Nov 30, 2017 8:55:22 GMT -8
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 30, 2017 8:55:22 GMT -8
I may be mis-remembering, but I thought I read something earlier this season where Yvensen Bernard claims that Heyward always wears orange underneath his green & yellow (or previously purple and gold). Sounds like a slam dunk to me. Thought it was 35 that was saying that... There seems to be a lot of momentum for the idea that Heyward- Johnson will want to come and be our DC. It took me a bit to get over his exit to UW to coach with Sark, taking two highly-touted DB recruits with him. I learned that he got a substantial bump in pay to go - our administration wouldn’t allow Riley to countercwith a competitive offer. KH-J then went to SC, and joined Slick Willie in Eugene last year. He is widely known as a great recruiter and position coach. He is also a die-hard member of the former Beav club, and apparently a good friend of Smith’s. To bring him in with a bump in his role to DC would be exciting. Make it happen, Niner!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 30, 2017 12:29:43 GMT -8
Or the QB that took his number 1-4 (in pretty much every preseason poll) ranked team to 5 wins while fans were calling for him to be benched his senior season? My biggest question about Jonathan is does his personality fit for being a head coach. He's a pleasant enough guy and I'm high on his football IQ, and I think he'll put together a good staff, but he's kind of an introvert. How many introverted coaches are making it big at this level? I don"t know. Having Jackson and Anderson in the wings sure helped that cry. Also, too lazy to look it up but if my memory serves me right we lost L. Jackson and D. Grant and that hurt us. List of starters lost in 2001: Chad Johnson, Robert Prescott, Robert Sykes, Jared Cornell, Mitch White, Martin Maurer, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, DeLawrence Grant, Ryan Atkinson, LaDairis Jackson, Darnell Robinson, James Allen, Terrence Carroll, Keith Heyward, and Mike Fessler. I believe that the team returned four starters on offense and four starters on defense and Cesca in 2001, but I could be mis-remembering.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 30, 2017 13:12:29 GMT -8
DiDomenico left after the 1999 season. Great talent, could have played in the NFL, but just didn't like school.
Jake Cookus left after 2000 as well. Not a starter, but a real key player. Tevita Moala. James Battle and McCall. Ricky Walker too and Terrance Gray, I think.
We lost a lot of starters but also tons of backup depth. Being ranked No. 1 in preseason was a joke.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 30, 2017 13:24:46 GMT -8
DiDomenico left after the 1999 season. Great talent, could have played in the NFL, but just didn't like school. Jake Cookus left after 2000 as well. Not a starter, but a real key player. Tevita Moala. James Battle and McCall. Ricky Walker too and Terrance Gray, I think. We lost a lot of starters but also tons of backup depth. Being ranked No. 1 in preseason was a joke. I know McCall returned for his senior season, even though he wound up playing third string behind Simonton and Jackson. I think that Cookus returned, as well, but I am not 100%. Battle, Gray, and Walker all graduated. Being ranked #1 in the preseason was problematic, because it put a huge bulls-eye on Oregon State's back.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 30, 2017 13:27:58 GMT -8
Having Jackson and Anderson in the wings sure helped that cry. Also, too lazy to look it up but if my memory serves me right we lost L. Jackson and D. Grant and that hurt us. List of starters lost in 2001: Chad Johnson, Robert Prescott, Robert Sykes, Jared Cornell, Mitch White, Martin Maurer, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, DeLawrence Grant, Ryan Atkinson, LaDairis Jackson, Darnell Robinson, James Allen, Terrence Carroll, Keith Heyward, and Mike Fessler. I believe that the team returned four starters on offense and four starters on defense and Cesca in 2001, but I could be mis-remembering. That high ranking was ridiculous in reality, and that was the year of the 9-11 attack so the beginning of our season got screwed up. My main worry is that fans will turn on Jonathan in 2-3 years if we're not doing as hoped. My thinking though is it would be hard to have as bad of a 3 year stint as we just had.... One of the smartest things Jonathan said in his opening presser was along the lines of "you have to cater your scheme to the players you have", the last group didn't do that.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 30, 2017 15:26:46 GMT -8
OH no, he said "trust the process".
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