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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 17:26:24 GMT -8
So Wisconsin playing Utah St, FAU, and BYU isn’t lousy? wins over Ohio State and Penn State, 2 NY teams, better than Mississippi State. Not to mention they are conference champ. Alabama is out. Can't imagine the committee putting Alabama in a week after they got best by SEC runner up. Why? The committee has Alabama above Ohio State right now. By multiple spots. I don't see how Ohio State beating Wisconsin should change that opinion therefore if the committee is consistent than an Ohio State win should result in Alabama in the playoff. Note: I don't expect any consistency from the committee because the whole process is a joke.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 2, 2017 17:30:53 GMT -8
So Wisconsin playing Utah St, FAU, and BYU isn’t lousy? wins over Ohio State and Penn State, 2 NY teams, better than Mississippi State. Not to mention they are conference champ. Alabama is out. Can't imagine the committee putting Alabama in a week after they got best by SEC runner up. Don’t necessarily disagree, but that wasn’t the statement I questioned. OP said it was because of a weak schedule, as if Wisky ooc was anything special. That’s all.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 2, 2017 17:36:37 GMT -8
FAU won 10 games and I’d say were better than a lot of P5 teams. What really hurts Wisconsin is that the Big Ten West is provably the worst P5 division in the country.
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Post by mikeriles53 on Dec 2, 2017 17:48:57 GMT -8
If he heyward comes is hall out of work at osu?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 17:51:35 GMT -8
If he heyward comes is hall out of work at osu? Only if Hayward doesn't want Hall. Hayward wouldn't be coming unless it is as DC IMO. Doubt he'd make a lateral move. Hall could easily still be DB coach.
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Post by ostate on Dec 2, 2017 18:03:52 GMT -8
If he heyward comes is hall out of work at osu? Hopefully...
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Post by maximumbeaver on Dec 2, 2017 18:26:00 GMT -8
Don't think a full group of former OSU players/coaches is the right route, but I'd like to see Trent Bray and Keith Heyward in the mix. Agreed. We need great coaches and recruiters. If the coach happens to be a former beaver? Great! Hire him, but just to have a bunch of former beaver greats is foolish.
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Post by maximumbeaver on Dec 2, 2017 18:40:21 GMT -8
yah your right I guess I should be more positive. If smith really is as dialed in as people say then this could turn out well. So yah the idea is growing on me as well the more I learn about the guy however I do think having beau baldwin as a OC would be an amazing hire. I'm not a fan of Baldwin just for the simple fact that I don't think running a shotgun spread option offense is the way to go in Corvallis. Especially when 8 out of the 11 other teams are running some variation of it. I'd rather us run an offense that is more like Chris Petersen's formation, pre-snap shift, and leverage type of offense that isn't afraid to go jumbo, use an H-back, use a fullback. They make a habit of throwing speedy receivers into open grass, similarly to Erickson's vertical spread attack. Smitty's pedigree makes him very, very interesting. 6 years with Chris Petersen should have given him a lot of ammo to work with. Very good points! I want something different than the rest of the conference is using.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 2, 2017 23:09:31 GMT -8
wins over Ohio State and Penn State, 2 NY teams, better than Mississippi State. Not to mention they are conference champ. Alabama is out. Can't imagine the committee putting Alabama in a week after they got best by SEC runner up. Why? The committee has Alabama above Ohio State right now. By multiple spots. I don't see how Ohio State beating Wisconsin should change that opinion therefore if the committee is consistent than an Ohio State win should result in Alabama in the playoff. Note: I don't expect any consistency from the committee because the whole process is a joke. People bitched about the 2 poll system/split national champions. So we go to computers and a completely objective stats based formulas. And, of course the complaints continued, especially from the elite football programs that had no control using their tradition and influence. Move to present day and a 4 team playoff. Basically determined in a room by an elite committee of men full of BS. They build their rational without any "political" pressures and are totally unbiased... ya right! Which system should it be? Does the current system truly serve all 129 FBS schools? Does the FCS have the best system... an actual NCAA champion?
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 3, 2017 3:54:53 GMT -8
wins over Ohio State and Penn State, 2 NY teams, better than Mississippi State. Not to mention they are conference champ. Alabama is out. Can't imagine the committee putting Alabama in a week after they got best by SEC runner up. Why? The committee has Alabama above Ohio State right now. By multiple spots. I don't see how Ohio State beating Wisconsin should change that opinion therefore if the committee is consistent than an Ohio State win should result in Alabama in the playoff. Note: I don't expect any consistency from the committee because the whole process is a joke. What would be inconsistent about it? Ohio state played a top 4 team yesterday and won. Bama lost last time they played a top 4 team. Ohio State is a conference champ. Bama is not. Rankings change every week, there was nothing static about this past weekend, even though they are routinely inconsistent on that end too. Is Ohio State better than Alabama? Probably not. but one of the criteria for choosing the 4 teams is conference championship. Not to mention the SEC us down this year, the Big 10 is going to scream murder if their CC is overlooked by a non CC. That's the type of thing that will get it expanded to 8 quicker. We shall see, as you say it's a joke. Same for Washington, TCU got spanked yesterday, Washington deserves that last spot, but I won't be at all surprised to see them bypassed. As for what happened last year, which I agree was bogus, but at least Ohio state had 3 wins against top 10 teams including the big 12 conference champ...Bama has zero this year.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 3, 2017 4:03:53 GMT -8
Why? The committee has Alabama above Ohio State right now. By multiple spots. I don't see how Ohio State beating Wisconsin should change that opinion therefore if the committee is consistent than an Ohio State win should result in Alabama in the playoff. Note: I don't expect any consistency from the committee because the whole process is a joke. People bitched about the 2 poll system/split national champions. So we go to computers and a completely objective stats based formulas. And, of course the complaints continued, especially from the elite football programs that had no control using their tradition and influence. Move to present day and a 4 team playoff. Basically determined in a room by an elite committee of men full of BS. They build their rational without any "political" pressures and are totally unbiased... ya right! Which system should it be? Does the current system truly serve all 129 FBS schools? Does the FCS have the best system... an actual NCAA champion? 5 P5 conference Champs, 1 G5, and 2 at large. play first round at higher ranked home seed next week. take 2 weeks off for xmas, let first round losers play in the exhibition bowl games. In that scenario Bama is in, and probably Whisky. But there will be far less fuss about the at large 8th seed than the Bama/OSU clustetf%#*. in fact, in that scenario Bama and Ohio state play next weekend so it's settled on the field the way it should be.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 3, 2017 4:21:48 GMT -8
Why? The committee has Alabama above Ohio State right now. By multiple spots. I don't see how Ohio State beating Wisconsin should change that opinion therefore if the committee is consistent than an Ohio State win should result in Alabama in the playoff. Note: I don't expect any consistency from the committee because the whole process is a joke. What would be inconsistent about it? Ohio state played a top 4 team yesterday and won. Bama lost last time they played a top 4 team. Ohio State is a conference champ. Bama is not. Rankings change every week, there was nothing static about this past weekend, even though they are routinely inconsistent on that end too. Is Ohio State better than Alabama? Probably not. but one of the criteria for choosing the 4 teams is conference championship. Not to mention the SEC us down this year, the Big 10 is going to scream murder if their CC is overlooked by a non CC. That's the type of thing that will get it expanded to 8 quicker. We shall see, as you say it's a joke. Same for Washington, TCU got spanked yesterday, Washington deserves that last spot, but I won't be at all surprised to see them bypassed. As for what happened last year, which I agree was bogus, but at least Ohio state had 3 wins against top 10 teams including the big 12 conference champ...Bama has zero this year. Actually, the criteria is to pick the 4 best teams, period. I also think it’s funny how you make a big case for Ohio St because they’re conference champions and then close with Washington should get the last spot, with no mention of USC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 9:18:43 GMT -8
What would be inconsistent about it? Ohio state played a top 4 team yesterday and won. Bama lost last time they played a top 4 team. Ohio State is a conference champ. Bama is not. Rankings change every week, there was nothing static about this past weekend, even though they are routinely inconsistent on that end too. Is Ohio State better than Alabama? Probably not. but one of the criteria for choosing the 4 teams is conference championship. Not to mention the SEC us down this year, the Big 10 is going to scream murder if their CC is overlooked by a non CC. That's the type of thing that will get it expanded to 8 quicker. We shall see, as you say it's a joke. Same for Washington, TCU got spanked yesterday, Washington deserves that last spot, but I won't be at all surprised to see them bypassed. As for what happened last year, which I agree was bogus, but at least Ohio state had 3 wins against top 10 teams including the big 12 conference champ...Bama has zero this year. Actually, the criteria is to pick the 4 best teams, period. I also think it’s funny how you make a big case for Ohio St because they’re conference champions and then close with Washington should get the last spot, with no mention of USC. Not true, conference championships is suppose to be part of the criteria but of course the committee will ignore that when it suits them (Ohio State last year) and lean on it when it suits them (Ohio State this year most likely).
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 3, 2017 9:25:53 GMT -8
Speaking of assistants - the story when JS was hired that he would be on the road recruiting today or tomorrow and some of the assistants would be officially be known by now. Anybody have any news?
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 3, 2017 10:02:37 GMT -8
What would be inconsistent about it? Ohio state played a top 4 team yesterday and won. Bama lost last time they played a top 4 team. Ohio State is a conference champ. Bama is not. Rankings change every week, there was nothing static about this past weekend, even though they are routinely inconsistent on that end too. Is Ohio State better than Alabama? Probably not. but one of the criteria for choosing the 4 teams is conference championship. Not to mention the SEC us down this year, the Big 10 is going to scream murder if their CC is overlooked by a non CC. That's the type of thing that will get it expanded to 8 quicker. We shall see, as you say it's a joke. Same for Washington, TCU got spanked yesterday, Washington deserves that last spot, but I won't be at all surprised to see them bypassed. As for what happened last year, which I agree was bogus, but at least Ohio state had 3 wins against top 10 teams including the big 12 conference champ...Bama has zero this year. Actually, the criteria is to pick the 4 best teams, period. I also think it’s funny how you make a big case for Ohio St because they’re conference champions and then close with Washington should get the last spot, with no mention of USC. Actually Actually, no its not, actually. Although it should be. From the college football playoffs website the criteria is
#1 championship won #2 strength of schedule #3 head to head #4 comparative outcomes of common opponents
Ohio State has it all over Bama on #1 and #2 of those. So how much does the loss to Iowa offset is the question. Last year the committee put more weight on #2 and the fact Penn State had 2 losses when selecting Ohio State. Yes, arbitrary as all hell. That's one reason I'm a big proponent to go to 8 teams so there is no if ands or buts about the P5 conference champions. Doesn't matter if you are 8-4, if you win your conference (or division), you play for the NC, just like every other sport. Still room for 2 at-large, and maybe even 3 if you set the criteria that the G5 top team meets a certain threshold.
As for the USC comment, not sure what you mean there, USC is in and will play in Fiesta Bowl. Washington and TCU is the debate for the last NY6 spot. Personally I think ND deserves it since they have better wins and a tougher schedule than both, but I'm obviously the minority.
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