|
Post by rockybeav on Dec 9, 2017 9:39:46 GMT -8
Extended again to 12/13. Weak candidate pool? I know CJS is busy as he!! !right now with recruiting. Looks like we’ve got a bit of a wait on our hands.
|
|
|
Post by nforkbeav on Dec 9, 2017 9:56:00 GMT -8
Extended again to 12/13. Weak candidate pool? I know CJS is busy as he!! !right now with recruiting. Looks like we’ve got a bit of a wait on our hands. All this signifies is, JS's top targets are still actively under contract and we'll have to wait until bowl games are wrapped up. For example, let's say Inoke is a target and will join the staff. Wisconsin's bowl game is on Dec. 30th so there will be no official announcement made until after the 30th.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 11:35:44 GMT -8
Extended again to 12/13. Weak candidate pool? I know CJS is busy as he!! !right now with recruiting. Looks like we’ve got a bit of a wait on our hands. All this signifies is, JS's top targets are still actively under contract and we'll have to wait until bowl games are wrapped up. For example, let's say Inoke is a target and will join the staff. Wisconsin's bowl game is on Dec. 30th so there will be no official announcement made until after the 30th. This is untrue. Most assistants (even if their team is going to a bowl) can take new jobs right now. Both schools can agree to let them coach the bowl or they can leave their old school immediately. There is no requirement to wait. The only exception appears to be UO which has an odd clause that forces its assistants to coach through the bowl and doesn't let them look for other work. That is not the norm. If assistants have to wait till after the bowl to change jobs/make announcements, explain the hiring of Jim Michalczik? Arizona plays in the Foster Farms Bowl on December 27th yet Michalczik is already in Corvallis coaching OSU. Your post seems more like wishful thinking than reality. The deadline was not extended because of bowl obligations, if it was why is it only extended to a date that is still before any bowls are even played? Not too mention that even if it was because of bowl obligations the coaches you are talking about could have still filled out an application so again no need to extend the deadline.
|
|
|
Post by nforkbeav on Dec 9, 2017 12:10:26 GMT -8
All this signifies is, JS's top targets are still actively under contract and we'll have to wait until bowl games are wrapped up. For example, let's say Inoke is a target and will join the staff. Wisconsin's bowl game is on Dec. 30th so there will be no official announcement made until after the 30th. This is untrue. Most assistants (even if their team is going to a bowl) can take new jobs right now. Both schools can agree to let them coach the bowl or they can leave their old school immediately. There is no requirement to wait. The only exception appears to be UO which has an odd clause that forces its assistants to coach through the bowl and doesn't let them look for other work. That is not the norm. If assistants have to wait till after the bowl to change jobs/make announcements, explain the hiring of Jim Michalczik? Arizona plays in the Foster Farms Bowl on December 27th yet Michalczik is already in Corvallis coaching OSU. Your post seems more like wishful thinking than reality. The deadline was not extended because of bowl obligations, if it was why is it only extended to a date that is still before any bowls are even played? Not too mention that even if it was because of bowl obligations the coaches you are talking about could have still filled out an application so again no need to extend the deadline. So you're saying if one of are targets is a coach from down the road we'll have to wait until after his bowl game correct? Pretty much what I said. How do you know for a fact most coaches can take a new job right now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just curious if you actually know that for a fact and how? Unless you know who the top targets are, and have also read their contracts it's just speculation on your part. That's fine and I will fully confess to not knowing who the top targets are either, or what is or isn't in their contract. And I don't believe anything in my post was directly or indirectly making that claim.
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 9, 2017 12:30:57 GMT -8
I suspect we’re waiting on some bowl games, but this may not all shake out until after the AFCA convention in January. Id hope we have our DC/DCs on board before then though.
|
|
|
Post by osulax24 on Dec 9, 2017 12:49:41 GMT -8
I'm thinking people are just simply saying no to the gig, hence the retread hire and delays...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 12:53:00 GMT -8
This is untrue. Most assistants (even if their team is going to a bowl) can take new jobs right now. Both schools can agree to let them coach the bowl or they can leave their old school immediately. There is no requirement to wait. The only exception appears to be UO which has an odd clause that forces its assistants to coach through the bowl and doesn't let them look for other work. That is not the norm. If assistants have to wait till after the bowl to change jobs/make announcements, explain the hiring of Jim Michalczik? Arizona plays in the Foster Farms Bowl on December 27th yet Michalczik is already in Corvallis coaching OSU. Your post seems more like wishful thinking than reality. The deadline was not extended because of bowl obligations, if it was why is it only extended to a date that is still before any bowls are even played? Not too mention that even if it was because of bowl obligations the coaches you are talking about could have still filled out an application so again no need to extend the deadline. So you're saying if one of are targets is a coach from down the road we'll have to wait until after his bowl game correct? Pretty much what I said. How do you know for a fact most coaches can take a new job right now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just curious if you actually know that for a fact and how? Unless you know who the top targets are, and have also read their contracts it's just speculation on your part. That's fine and I will fully confess to not knowing who the top targets are either, or what is or isn't in their contract. And I don't believe anything in my post was directly or indirectly making that claim. You still can't explain why they didn't move the close date till after the Ducks bowl game if that were the case. As for my speculation, considering that everyone is saying how unusual it is that the UO coaches are being forced to stay on staff through the bowl I feel pretty confident that UO is likely the only school doing this but again even if they had to wait till after the bowl, all of these guys could have already turned in an application. So, why push the date back? Even if you are waiting on someone, they would/could have already applied therefore there is no need to change the closing date. You only change the closing date to give people time to apply.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 12:54:39 GMT -8
I suspect we’re waiting on some bowl games, but this may not all shake out until after the AFCA convention in January. Id hope we have our DC/DCs on board before then though. The problem with this line of thinking is it doesn't explain extending the date. Guys can apply prior to their bowl even if it won't be announced. The only reason to extend the date is you aren't happy with the application pool or you are trying to convince someone that hasn't applied to apply, in either case its not ideal.
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 9, 2017 13:19:31 GMT -8
I figure if we don't have a DC announced by January 15th, I'll start to sweat some. They're probably waiting on a bowl game to pass to make an announcement. If it doesn't happen then because someone changes their mind, I see heavy activity ahead for Coach Smith (and probably Riley and Michalczik in the form of making introductions) at the convention.
As far as the date extension it's really no big deal, there's been more coach shuffling going on the last few days so there are more coaches either out of jobs or facing moving than when the positions were first listed. Might as well open it up a little while longer...maybe we've got a secret DC who's still looking for a safeties coach? It could be anything.
|
|
|
Post by nforkbeav on Dec 9, 2017 13:32:54 GMT -8
You still can't explain why they didn't move the close date till after the Ducks bowl game if that were the case.
As for my speculation, considering that everyone is saying how unusual it is that the UO coaches are being forced to stay on staff through the bowl I feel pretty confident that UO is likely the only school doing this but again even if they had to wait till after the bowl, all of these guys could have already turned in an application. So, why push the date back? Even if you are waiting on someone, they would/could have already applied therefore there is no need to change the closing date. You only change the closing date to give people time to apply. Why would I need to explain an inconsequential and arbitrary date. Clearly you're trying to read something into a system formality which has no bearing on the outcome. That date is not the deadline you think it is.
|
|
|
Post by nforkbeav on Dec 9, 2017 13:41:04 GMT -8
I'm thinking people are just simply saying no to the gig, hence the retread hire and delays... How do you feel about your Critabol hire? Retread or no. His press conference sounded a lot like Paul Wulff II. I guess you wouldn't be posting here if you were happy with it. Consider my question answered.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 13:57:32 GMT -8
You still can't explain why they didn't move the close date till after the Ducks bowl game if that were the case.
As for my speculation, considering that everyone is saying how unusual it is that the UO coaches are being forced to stay on staff through the bowl I feel pretty confident that UO is likely the only school doing this but again even if they had to wait till after the bowl, all of these guys could have already turned in an application. So, why push the date back? Even if you are waiting on someone, they would/could have already applied therefore there is no need to change the closing date. You only change the closing date to give people time to apply. Why would I need to explain an inconsequential and arbitrary date. Clearly you're trying to read something into a system formality which has no bearing on the outcome. That date is not the deadline you think it is. I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. What do you mean I don't understand the deadline? I absolutely understand the deadline. I also understand they can move it again. You still have given no explanation for why a coach whose interested but on another staff (say the Ducks staff) wouldn't have been able to meet any of the previous deadlines? You don't have to change the deadline to wait to announce the hire. You don't have to move the deadline because you are waiting to talk to someone either. I am not reading anything into anything. You are the one that is attempting to read into it by claiming they are waiting for some coach in a bowl game. The explanation that takes no reading into the situation is that JS (or the DC he is hiring) is unhappy with the applicant pool and is trying to talk others into applying which requires an extension of the date. And that is the explanation I have presented. If he was happy with the applicant pool we'd see no deadline extension. Its really that simple.
|
|
|
Post by nforkbeav on Dec 9, 2017 14:10:18 GMT -8
Why would I need to explain an inconsequential and arbitrary date. Clearly you're trying to read something into a system formality which has no bearing on the outcome. That date is not the deadline you think it is. I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. What do you mean I don't understand the deadline? I absolutely understand the deadline. I also understand they can move it again. You still have given no explanation for why a coach whose interested but on another staff (say the Ducks staff) wouldn't have been able to meet any of the previous deadlines? You don't have to change the deadline to wait to announce the hire. You don't have to move the deadline because you are waiting to talk to someone either. I am not reading anything into anything. You are the one that is attempting to read into it by claiming they are waiting for some coach in a bowl game. The explanation that takes no reading into the situation is that JS (or the DC he is hiring) is unhappy with the applicant pool and is trying to talk others into applying which requires an extension of the date. And that is the explanation I have presented. If he was happy with the applicant pool we'd see no deadline extension. Its really that simple. You say you understand it's NOT a deadline, but keep pushing narratives which are entirety dependent upon you believing it IS a deadline? So I don't believe you. You obviously do think it is some sort of deadline. It's NOT. What more is there to explain?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 14:18:15 GMT -8
I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. What do you mean I don't understand the deadline? I absolutely understand the deadline. I also understand they can move it again. You still have given no explanation for why a coach whose interested but on another staff (say the Ducks staff) wouldn't have been able to meet any of the previous deadlines? You don't have to change the deadline to wait to announce the hire. You don't have to move the deadline because you are waiting to talk to someone either. You don't understand a LOT of things, which is why you won't reply back to this question (below) asked of you, previously (going on three times, now). bennyshouse.com/post/73326/threadNo, actually this is literally the first time I have seen that question. Based on the evidence Duke had at the time I think they did respond correctly. Sorry but you can't have your athletes representing your school while under investigation for rape. Not being able to trust the police/DA is a different conversation. Now (I've answered your question from a now locked thread that I had never read prior) explain exactly what I am wrong about with regards to extending the deadline? You do understand its possible to miss a post from someone right? And by the time you posted it the 2nd time I had stopped following the thread. I did not ignore your question. I understand that in coaching most people aren't even gonna apply till they are offered the job but if Smith knew who he wanted and that guy was saying yes I don't see any reason why they wouldn't have submitted an application. To me this is an indication that at least some of the coaching positions remain in doubt. And they aren't simply waiting for someone to play their bowl game.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 14:21:40 GMT -8
I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. What do you mean I don't understand the deadline? I absolutely understand the deadline. I also understand they can move it again. You still have given no explanation for why a coach whose interested but on another staff (say the Ducks staff) wouldn't have been able to meet any of the previous deadlines? You don't have to change the deadline to wait to announce the hire. You don't have to move the deadline because you are waiting to talk to someone either. I am not reading anything into anything. You are the one that is attempting to read into it by claiming they are waiting for some coach in a bowl game. The explanation that takes no reading into the situation is that JS (or the DC he is hiring) is unhappy with the applicant pool and is trying to talk others into applying which requires an extension of the date. And that is the explanation I have presented. If he was happy with the applicant pool we'd see no deadline extension. Its really that simple. You say you understand it's NOT a deadline, but keep pushing narratives which are entirety dependent upon you believing it IS a deadline? So I don't believe you. You obviously do think it is some sort of deadline. It's NOT. What more is there to explain? Where did I ever claim it was a true deadline? And what narrative are you even talking about? All I have ever claimed is that if JS had his guys he'd have no need to extend the deadline. Even if those guys are coaching in a bowl, if he knew who he was hiring and they were on board they'd have applied and we'd simply be waiting on the announcement. Extending the deadline indicates that at least some coaches remain unknowns. I've claimed nothing beyond that. Lets go back to your example; Lets say Inoke is planning to take the job at OSU but wants to coach his bowl. JS would have no reason to extend the deadline because Inoke could have his application submitted already.
|
|