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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 10, 2017 15:18:32 GMT -8
The university has a totally different set of criteria and an accelerated timeline when hiring a time-sensitive position such as a head/assistant coach than is used when hiring faculty, administrators or classified staff. Deans, etc., often takes months to hire. You don't have that luxury in athletics.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 10, 2017 16:54:11 GMT -8
OMG, you claim I am the one that does not understand. No but I don't know who within the HR department makes policy on job postings so since I don't know the persons name I am using the department as a general statement. The person in charge of making the policy (lets call her Janet). IMO when a job does not have a true deadline Janet should make it a policy to simply post the job as "open until filled" instead of having to constantly move the date over and over in order to allow people to still apply. It would save Bill (who I am using as the name of the person that works under Janet and has to update the listing) time to do other work and is thereby a more efficient way to run a department. Again, "open until filled" is pretty standard when no deadline exists. I am surprised OSU doesn't use it. Now that I gave them names does it work? You better start complaining to every department at OSU. "Open until filled" is not on any of their job details (OK I only looked through the first 6 pages of jobs listings). There were two that didn't have closing dates, I assume they didn't fill out OSU's HR form properly. You are making mountains out of your own self-perceived molehills. OSU has a way of posing job listings that apparently confuses nobody but you. Don't use facts... the dude simply makes stuff up without knowing or even bothering to research it. There are so many loopholes in state hiring it's ridiculous. But, he could care less about truth and facts. He just spouts crap... 90% of his stuff is just argumentative BS. Even when confronted with fact be continues in his personal diatribes. I mean look at how long this thread goes with his inane arguments when he finally, sort of, admits he doesn't know Jack s%#te.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 17:07:16 GMT -8
You better start complaining to every department at OSU. "Open until filled" is not on any of their job details (OK I only looked through the first 6 pages of jobs listings). There were two that didn't have closing dates, I assume they didn't fill out OSU's HR form properly. You are making mountains out of your own self-perceived molehills. OSU has a way of posing job listings that apparently confuses nobody but you. Don't use facts... the dude simply makes stuff up without knowing or even bothering to research it. There are so many loopholes in state hiring it's ridiculous. But, he could care less about truth and facts. He just spouts crap... 90% of his stuff is just argumentative BS. Even when confronted with fact be continues in his personal diatribes. I mean look at how long this thread goes with his inane arguments when he finally, sort of, admits he doesn't know Jack s%#te. Go f%#* yourself. Nothing I even said was even controversial much less incorrect. IF JS HAD EVERYONE HE WANTED THEIR WOULD BE NO NEED TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE, THAT IS ALL I EVER CLAIMED AND IT IS 100% FACTUAL. POSTING JOBS AS 'OPEN UNTIL FILLED' IS STANDARD PRACTICE IN THE EDUCATION FIELD. OSU DOESN'T DO THAT. IT IS OUTSIDE THE NORM THAT THEY DON'T. THAT IS NOT CONTROVERSIAL OR INCORRECT. AND AGAIN ITS 100% FACTUAL. When I made that post, it was simply a curiosity because of HOW MUCH OF A NORM 'OPEN UNTIL FILLED' IS IN THE EDUCATION FIELD. If I don't know anything or don't research anything than how do I know for a fact that PSU, UO, and WOU all have jobs posted as open until filled right now? Go look for yourself you sanctimonious ass. Just because a bunch of posters want to pick and choose what they read from my posts (or make up things I never said) doesn't make me factually incorrect. Claiming I know nothing or don't research things is just you making s%#t up. I don't make anything up.....I love it when people think someone that doesn't share the group think of a board is making stuff up. So again, go f%#* yourself.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 10, 2017 17:17:28 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 17:54:25 GMT -8
Go f%#* yourself. Nothing I even said was even controversial much less incorrect. IF JS HAD EVERYONE HE WANTED THEIR WOULD BE NO NEED TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE, THAT IS ALL I EVER CLAIMED AND IT IS 100% FACTUAL. POSTING JOBS AS 'OPEN UNTIL FILLED' IS STANDARD PRACTICE IN THE EDUCATION FIELD. OSU DOESN'T DO THAT. IT IS OUTSIDE THE NORM THAT THEY DON'T. THAT IS NOT CONTROVERSIAL OR INCORRECT. AND AGAIN ITS 100% FACTUAL. When I made that post, it was simply a curiosity because of HOW MUCH OF A NORM 'OPEN UNTIL FILLED' IS IN THE EDUCATION FIELD. If I don't know anything or don't research anything than how do I know for a fact that PSU, UO, and WOU all have jobs posted as open until filled right now? Go look for yourself you sanctimonious ass. Just because a bunch of posters want to pick and choose what they read from my posts (or make up things I never said) doesn't make me factually incorrect. Claiming I know nothing or don't research things is just you making s%#t up. I don't make anything up.....I love it when people think someone that doesn't share the group think of a board is making stuff up. So again, go f%#* yourself. I am, won't post in any new threads. But when someone calls me a liar. I'm not gonna let that go. I honestly don't even understand why I got attacked from all sides in this thread beyond people simply have decided they don't like me. I'm truly amazed by it. My initial post simply said that if JS had who he wanted they could apply before the initial deadline even if they were waiting till after the bowl so its obvious that JS hasn't gotten everyone he wants to apply-Hardly a controversial stance. Somehow that got changed to me claiming everyone is turning JS down (not even close to anything I claimed) and I was then attacked for a position I never even took. Than someone decided to bring something up form a locked thread (not me) and somehow decide to blame me for getting the thread off track. Once the thread was back on track, I made a relatively minor post about how OSU could simply make the job post "open until filled" which is a norm in education. Someone could have simply said, OSU doesn't do that and I would have said, while they should and moved on but instead I get called out by multiple people and am essentially called stupid for a very non-controversial post. I am leaving, no interest in posting to a board where that is the attitude of posters, its obvious I am not wanted here. But I will defend myself on the way out.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 10, 2017 18:04:17 GMT -8
Perhaps you never told an off color or racist joke at school or work, or on the playground back in your younger days. These days you get fired for it. Perhaps "have you ever told an off color or racist joke" should be a standard question for all job applications. At what point does a person hold something against someone for what they may or may have not done (remember, Ms. Tracy says she believes Riley when he says he didn't recieve the full story of what happened) at some point back in their past? The leaving twice has been discussed ad-nauseum. Having been rehired at jobs I have left for better opportunities that in the end didn't work out, and having re-hired employees who left my business for good reason, I could not carry any negative judgement on Riley and the career moves he made when leaving OSU. Not re-hiring a good employee only hurts your own business I don’t think Riley is that good of a coach anymore so saying no to him would be easy.... At the end of the day, if he doesn’t kill it as a recruiter it’s a wasted position in my eyes. Riley is 100 times better at coaching NOW than you have ever been at offering an opinion worth anything on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 18:08:38 GMT -8
I don’t think Riley is that good of a coach anymore so saying no to him would be easy.... At the end of the day, if he doesn’t kill it as a recruiter it’s a wasted position in my eyes. Riley is 100 times better at coaching NOW than you have ever been at offering an opinion worth anything on this board. Yep.... You are correct. And as i clearly said (in your eyes) everyone is clearly turning the assistant jobs down. Exactly where did I say this again? I noticed you never bothered to actually find where I made such a claim. Easier to simply put words in my mouth right? Keep the attacks coming. I get it, I am not worthy of posting here. You guys have won that battle. I will never post in another thread again. The posters on this board have an intellect I can only hope to one day come within 10% of matching. Man, if only I could be as brilliant as all of you. You guys truly are the cream of the crop.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 10, 2017 18:26:17 GMT -8
Riley is 100 times better at coaching NOW than you have ever been at offering an opinion worth anything on this board. Yep.... You are correct. And as i clearly said (in your eyes) everyone is clearly turning the assistant jobs down. Exactly where did I say this again? I noticed you never bothered to actually find where I made such a claim. Easier to simply put words in my mouth right? Keep the attacks coming. I get it, I am not worthy of posting here. You guys have won that battle. I will never post in another thread again. The posters on this board have an intellect I can only hope to one day come witting 10% of matching. Man, if only I could be as brilliant as all of you. You guys truly are the creme of the crop. Here's some advice, people will question and challenge what you post especially when it's a pointed criticism of someone else who's not here to defend him/herself and it's a statement full of BS. If you're willing to throw out pointed criticism's on a whim, then yes expect to have your BS refuted and challenged. "Well it's just my opinion" is not a free pass. If you're not willing to defend, or can not defend such posts then why make them. Don't like it? Then either make sure you can back up your opinion, or think twice before going public with sloppy half backed accusations, conclusion, and proclamations offered up as "just my opinion". Once you do decide to drop opinion grenades, don't play the innocent victim card and expect any sympathy when the questioning and backlash ensues.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 18:31:45 GMT -8
Yep.... You are correct. And as i clearly said (in your eyes) everyone is clearly turning the assistant jobs down. Exactly where did I say this again? I noticed you never bothered to actually find where I made such a claim. Easier to simply put words in my mouth right? Keep the attacks coming. I get it, I am not worthy of posting here. You guys have won that battle. I will never post in another thread again. The posters on this board have an intellect I can only hope to one day come witting 10% of matching. Man, if only I could be as brilliant as all of you. You guys truly are the creme of the crop. Here's some advice, people will question and challenge what you post especially when it's a pointed criticism of someone else who's not here to defend him/herself and it's a statement full of BS. If you're willing to throw out pointed criticism's on a whim, then yes expect to have your BS refuted and challenged. "Well it's just my opinion" is not a free pass. If you're not willing to defend, or can not defend such posts then why make them. Don't like it? Then either make sure you can back up your opinion, or think twice before going public with sloppy half backed accusations, conclusion, and proclamations offered up as "just my opinion". Once you do decide to drop opinion grenades, don't play the innocent victim card and expect any sympathy when the questioning and backlash ensues. The last thing I need is advice from you. I am happy to have a debate. You decided I made a claim I never made (at no point in this thread did I ever say anything even remotely close to everyone is turning JS down) and then you decided to argue with me about something I never claimed. You then decided that an innocent post asking why they don't just make the posting "open until filled" (which again is common practice in the education world and at the time I made the post I had no clue OSU was amongst a tiny percentage of schools that doesn't do that) and you decided that post from me indicated I didn't understand that deadlines can be changed. Nothing I said in this thread has been BS. There is no need to extend the deadline if JS has his guys and they have applied (that was all I claimed). And I did defend that position because its the truth. Having job opening as "open until filled' is in fact a norm in the education field. OSU is in the minority for not doing it. And again, I did defend the position because again, its the truth. I am not claiming innocence or that I am a victim. I am saying that you are claiming I have made claims I never made and argued against something I never said. Because that is exactly what you did. Now you refuse to just admit it. At no point do I claim anyone has turned the job down. That is a claim that you made up. I notice you still refuse to even address that FACT that you falsified my claim. Again, that is a FACT. As for Riley's response to the Brenda Tracy case, I absolutely stand by my position that I don't want anyone under an active investigation (not a mere accusation but an active investigation) for rape playing football at OSU and even if they are never charged they should still be kicked off the team if evidence suggests any wrongdoing. I feel pretty comfortable in that position and don't really feel I need to defend it. If you want to watch accused rapists play on Saturdays you are entitled to that opinion. So take your advice and shove it up your ass.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 10, 2017 18:45:42 GMT -8
Here's some advice, people will question and challenge what you post especially when it's a pointed criticism of someone else who's not here to defend him/herself and it's a statement full of BS. If you're willing to throw out pointed criticism's on a whim, then yes expect to have your BS refuted and challenged. "Well it's just my opinion" is not a free pass. If you're not willing to defend, or can not defend such posts then why make them. Don't like it? Then either make sure you can back up your opinion, or think twice before going public with sloppy half backed accusations, conclusion, and proclamations offered up as "just my opinion". Once you do decide to drop opinion grenades, don't play the innocent victim card and expect any sympathy when the questioning and backlash ensues. The last thing I need is advice from you. I am happy to have a debate. You decided I made a claim I never made (at no point in this thread did I ever say anything even remotely close to everyone is turning JS down) and then you decided to argue with me about something I never claimed. You then decided that an innocent post asking why they don't just make the posting "open until filled" (which again is common practice in the education world and at the time I made the post I had no clue OSU was amongst a tiny percentage of schools that doesn't do that) and you decided that post from me indicated I didn't understand that deadlines can be changed. Nothing I said in this thread has been BS. There is no need to extend the deadline if JS has his guys and they have applied (that was all I claimed). And I did defend that position because its the truth. Having job opening as "open until filled' is in fact a norm in the education field. OSU is in the minority for not doing it. And again, I did defend the position because again, its the truth. I am not claiming innocence or that I am a victim. I am saying that you are claiming I have made claims I never made and argued against something I never said. Because that is exactly what you did. Now you refuse to just admit it. At no point do I claim anyone has turned the job down. That is a claim that you made up. I notice you still refuse to even address that FACT that you falsified my claim. Again, that is a FACT. As for Riley's response to the Brenda Tracy case, I absolutely stand by my position that I don't want anyone under an active investigation (not a mere accusation but an active investigation) for rape playing football at OSU and even if they are never charged they should still be kicked off the team if evidence suggests any wrongdoing. I feel pretty comfortable in that position and don't really feel I need to defend it. If you want to watch accused rapists play on Saturdays you are entitled to that opinion. So take your advice and shove it up your ass.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 18:50:25 GMT -8
As for Riley's response to the Brenda Tracy case, I absolutely stand by my position that I don't want anyone under an active investigation (not a mere accusation but an active investigation) for rape playing football at OSU. I feel pretty comfortable in that position. Nobody was still under "active investigation" by that point (within the time the 1998 football season rolled around), either. Yet, players involved were suspended anyway (one game). So, what was your point (regarding how things were handled back at that time) with how you are still holding it against Riley, now? You got in before an edit. If there was any evidence of wrongdoing (and in the Tracy case there was), I still believe they should be kicked off the team. Yes, I still hold it against Riley because I think he mishandled the situation. I don't care if he handled it the way most coaches would have handled it in 1998, I think he handled it wrong. That is simply my opinion. Sometimes it does just come down to someone's opinion. Rapists don't belong on college football teams. They don't now and they didn't in 1998. You think he handled it correctly. Its okay to disagree on that because (follow me here) two people can look at the same facts (Tracy was raped, chose not to testify so no charges were filed) and come to different conclusions (I think they should have been kicked off the team, you don't). I am not claiming you are factually wrong; I am not even claiming your opinion is wrong, its your opinion and you are entitled to it. Its a difference of opinion based on the same facts. And yes, that is an emotional position that I am taking. And frankly, I don't even care about that argument. You are the one that decided to bring a locked thread up in an unrelated thread. If I wanted to debate the Tracy incident I would have kept responding in the other thread prior to it getting locked. Why do you even bring it up in an unrelated thread? Other than to be an asshole?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 19:00:50 GMT -8
The last thing I need is advice from you. I am happy to have a debate. You decided I made a claim I never made (at no point in this thread did I ever say anything even remotely close to everyone is turning JS down) and then you decided to argue with me about something I never claimed. You then decided that an innocent post asking why they don't just make the posting "open until filled" (which again is common practice in the education world and at the time I made the post I had no clue OSU was amongst a tiny percentage of schools that doesn't do that) and you decided that post from me indicated I didn't understand that deadlines can be changed. Nothing I said in this thread has been BS. There is no need to extend the deadline if JS has his guys and they have applied (that was all I claimed). And I did defend that position because its the truth. Having job opening as "open until filled' is in fact a norm in the education field. OSU is in the minority for not doing it. And again, I did defend the position because again, its the truth. I am not claiming innocence or that I am a victim. I am saying that you are claiming I have made claims I never made and argued against something I never said. Because that is exactly what you did. Now you refuse to just admit it. At no point do I claim anyone has turned the job down. That is a claim that you made up. I notice you still refuse to even address that FACT that you falsified my claim. Again, that is a FACT. As for Riley's response to the Brenda Tracy case, I absolutely stand by my position that I don't want anyone under an active investigation (not a mere accusation but an active investigation) for rape playing football at OSU and even if they are never charged they should still be kicked off the team if evidence suggests any wrongdoing. I feel pretty comfortable in that position and don't really feel I need to defend it. If you want to watch accused rapists play on Saturdays you are entitled to that opinion. So take your advice and shove it up your ass. Interesting how you continue to refuse to admit that I never at anytime made any claim that anyone turned down the job. Its almost as if you know you made s%#t up but think that since I am the one you no one likes you don't need to be held accountable. While, I am still going to call you out. You lied about the claims I made. You can admit it, its okay.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 19:17:35 GMT -8
You are the one that decided to bring a locked thread up in an unrelated thread. If I wanted to debate the Tracy incident I would have kept responding in the other thread prior to it getting locked. Actually, I posted a link (in this thread) to a post on the then still unlocked thread (to my knowledge), wondering why you hadn't responded to it. You are the one who decided to respond to it within this thread. So, don't pretend I'm the one who initially dragged it onto this one. No, the thread was very much locked when I clicked on your link. So intentional or not; you are the one that initially dragged it onto this one. you posted the link; not me. But see, instead of calling you stupid like everyone wants to do on this board. Now that you have explained your intent when you made the post I apologize for the asshole comment (although I still question the intent of your initial post, why not just ask a simple question instead of saying "you see not to understand a lot of things"). Had it not been locked, I would have responded in the other thread, it absolutely was locked.
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Post by rob85 on Dec 10, 2017 19:21:18 GMT -8
I was going to post that some of you chaps need to learn to STFU. But then I realized I need to learn to stop reading this message board.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 19:36:48 GMT -8
No, the thread was very much locked when I clicked on your link. So intentional or not; you are the one that initially dragged it onto this one. you posted the link; not me. Me posting a link to another thread (questioning why you hadn't responded to it) and it being locked (on that other thread) by the time you finally choose to respond to it ( after one earlier attempt within that same thread) didn't compel you to answer it on this one. That was 100% your own decision. Nice try, though. Yep, you got me. You are right I could have ignored it. But when someone essentially calls me out for not responding to something I never saw I feel compelled to respond. Yep. That is 100% true. I do not deny that in anyway, shape, or form. I will always respond in such a situation. I cannot deny that. And had I not, you probably would have brought it up yet again since you apparently felt the need to bring it up 3 times. That said..... You know what a you could have done instead of calling a poster out publicly (in an obvious attempt to shame them) you could have sent a private message asking why they didn't respond? But nope, you have to make it an attempt at public shaming and then try to blame the person you were trying to shame for responding. Good on you, you got me. Either way..... I missed it the first time you posted it, stopped following the thread, and you brought it to this thread. It is absolutely 100% on you. BTW, I responded within 13 minutes of your post and the last post in the linked thread was more than 12 hours prior to you linking it so frankly I think you might be lying when you claim it wasn't locked. Don't worry, I am sure everyone will side with you and start attacking me any minute. Seems to be how this board works.
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