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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:04:09 GMT -8
At no point did I say "JS's top targets turned him down" so the rest of this is just nonsense. All I ever claimed was JS's top targets could have applied by the original deadline and that extending the deadline indicates they are still trying to convince someone to apply/aren't happy with everyone that has applied. At no time did I make any claim (much less came to a conclusion) that anyone has turned any job down. And I 100% standby that claim. Try again. OMG guys, it's my understanding (wife works for the state) that the state organization must post, extend the deadline and/or repost the opening until it is filled... Its possible that JS's top targets have not began the application process (must follow the guidelines outlined in the opening); have began the process; have completed the process (not all spots are filled yet)... They can post it as "open until filled" I agree with your second sentence (and again, never claimed anyone turned any job down) but OSU can post jobs as open until filled if they want. Go search UO and PSU jobs, a ton of them are listed as open until filled (PSU actually says, 'open until finalists identified' but same thing). If those schools can post as open until filled, so can OSU.
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Post by ostate on Dec 10, 2017 13:06:58 GMT -8
OMG guys, it's my understanding (wife works for the state) that the state organization must post, extend the deadline and/or repost the opening until it is filled... Its possible that JS's top targets have not began the application process (must follow the guidelines outlined in the opening); have began the process; have completed the process (not all spots are filled yet)... They can post it as "open until filled" I agree with your second sentence (and again, never claimed anyone turned any job down) but OSU can post jobs as open until filled if they want. Go search UO and PSU jobs, a ton of them are listed as open until filled. If those schools can post as open until filled, so can OSU. Many times they post "job will be closed when the first xx complete applications are received and/or will be closed on xx/xx/xx date"... My guess is that a date is used to express the urgency of the hire(s) - for fans, recruits and boosters... dilly dilly
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:08:47 GMT -8
They can post it as "open until filled" I agree with your second sentence (and again, never claimed anyone turned any job down) but OSU can post jobs as open until filled if they want. Go search UO and PSU jobs, a ton of them are listed as open until filled. If those schools can post as open until filled, so can OSU. I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that state jobs must have a defined date of closure - many times they post "job will be closed when the first xx complete applications are received and/or will be closed on xx/xx/xx date"... Than UO and PSU are violating state law because (and you can go look for yourself) they have a bunch of jobs listed as 'open until filled' or 'open till finalists identified' I also know (with 100% certainty), 'open until filled' is used by school districts all over the state.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 10, 2017 13:28:29 GMT -8
Clearly the girl who was raped was the important one here. The real question is what the coaches knew at the time, and to some extent what the standard reaction of the time was (I hate to say it, because there is no defending rape). Societally, many things are handled differently today than they were a mere twenty years ago. Go back another 20 and it's even moreso. Do we or should we always judge the past solely by today's standards? It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out. When making hiring decisions today, IMO we should judge by today's standards. IMO, if you continue to judge people by past standards you are doomed to repeat those same past mistakes. If a few rich people (like Riley) have to retire from their professions a little earlier than they'd like to prevent repeating those mistakes in the future. That is a small price to pay. And just to be clear, the Brenda Tracy incident isn't the only strike against Riley in my eyes, leaving the program twice is also a strike in my view. Especially when the school gave him a virtual lifetime contract because he said he wanted to be at OSU for the remainder of his career. If I were AD that'd be enough to prevent me from allowing him to be re-hired. Perhaps you never told an off color or racist joke at school or work, or on the playground back in your younger days. These days you get fired for it. Perhaps "have you ever told an off color or racist joke" should be a standard question for all job applications. At what point does a person hold something against someone for what they may or may have not done (remember, Ms. Tracy says she believes Riley when he says he didn't recieve the full story of what happened) at some point back in their past? The leaving twice has been discussed ad-nauseum. Having been rehired at jobs I have left for better opportunities that in the end didn't work out, and having re-hired employees who left my business for good reason, I could not carry any negative judgement on Riley and the career moves he made when leaving OSU. Not re-hiring a good employee only hurts your own business
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 10, 2017 13:39:51 GMT -8
You think the entire HR staff at OSU is actively involved in that one job posting? OMG, you claim I am the one that does not understand. No but I don't know who within the HR department makes policy on job postings so since I don't know the persons name I am using the department as a general statement. The person in charge of making the policy (lets call her Janet). IMO when a job does not have a true deadline Janet should make it a policy to simply post the job as "open until filled" instead of having to constantly move the date over and over in order to allow people to still apply. It would save Bill (who I am using as the name of the person that works under Janet and has to update the listing) time to do other work and is thereby a more efficient way to run a department. Again, "open until filled" is pretty standard when no deadline exists. I am surprised OSU doesn't use it. Now that I gave them names does it work? You better start complaining to every department at OSU. "Open until filled" is not on any of their job details (OK I only looked through the first 6 pages of jobs listings). There were two that didn't have closing dates, I assume they didn't fill out OSU's HR form properly. You are making mountains out of your own self-perceived molehills. OSU has a way of posing job listings that apparently confuses nobody but you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:41:05 GMT -8
When making hiring decisions today, IMO we should judge by today's standards. IMO, if you continue to judge people by past standards you are doomed to repeat those same past mistakes. If a few rich people (like Riley) have to retire from their professions a little earlier than they'd like to prevent repeating those mistakes in the future. That is a small price to pay. And just to be clear, the Brenda Tracy incident isn't the only strike against Riley in my eyes, leaving the program twice is also a strike in my view. Especially when the school gave him a virtual lifetime contract because he said he wanted to be at OSU for the remainder of his career. If I were AD that'd be enough to prevent me from allowing him to be re-hired. Perhaps you never told an off color or racist joke at school or work, or on the playground back in your younger days. These days you get fired for it. Perhaps "have you ever told an off color or racist joke" should be a standard question for all job applications. At what point does a person hold something against someone for what they may or may have not done (remember, Ms. Tracy says she believes Riley when he says he didn't recieve the full story of what happened) at some point back in their past? The leaving twice has been discussed ad-nauseum. Having been rehired at jobs I have left for better opportunities that in the end didn't work out, and having re-hired employees who left my business for good reason, I could not carry any negative judgement on Riley and the career moves he made when leaving OSU. Not re-hiring a good employee only hurts your own business I don’t think Riley is that good of a coach anymore so saying no to him would be easy.... At the end of the day, if he doesn’t kill it as a recruiter it’s a wasted position in my eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:42:15 GMT -8
OMG, you claim I am the one that does not understand. No but I don't know who within the HR department makes policy on job postings so since I don't know the persons name I am using the department as a general statement. The person in charge of making the policy (lets call her Janet). IMO when a job does not have a true deadline Janet should make it a policy to simply post the job as "open until filled" instead of having to constantly move the date over and over in order to allow people to still apply. It would save Bill (who I am using as the name of the person that works under Janet and has to update the listing) time to do other work and is thereby a more efficient way to run a department. Again, "open until filled" is pretty standard when no deadline exists. I am surprised OSU doesn't use it. Now that I gave them names does it work? You better start complaining to every department at OSU. "Open until filled" is not on any of their job details (OK I only looked through the first 6 pages of jobs listings). There were two that didn't have closing dates, I assume they didn't fill out OSU's HR form properly. Never said it was, I looked too....as I said, I can’t believe it’s not. Every other school uses ‘open until filled’ OSU should too I guess it’s job security for Bill but quite odd in my opinion. Disagreeing with something is not the same as being confused. I understand what they are doing, it’s just dumb.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 10, 2017 13:46:56 GMT -8
OMG guys, it's my understanding (wife works for the state) that the state organization must post, extend the deadline and/or repost the opening until it is filled... Its possible that JS's top targets have not began the application process (must follow the guidelines outlined in the opening); have began the process; have completed the process (not all spots are filled yet)... They can post it as "open until filled" I agree with your second sentence (and again, never claimed anyone turned any job down) but OSU can post jobs as open until filled if they want. Go search UO and PSU jobs, a ton of them are listed as open until filled (PSU actually says, 'open until finalists identified' but same thing). If those schools can post as open until filled, so can OSU. They can only post it as "open until filled" if that status exists in their system. You better raise a huge stink at OSU, because apparently if it does exist it's not commonly used. I just looked at the OSU jobs portal and didn't find any instance of "open until filled" used in the first 6 pages of listings. I did find several that had closing dates of 6/30/2018
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:51:44 GMT -8
They can post it as "open until filled" I agree with your second sentence (and again, never claimed anyone turned any job down) but OSU can post jobs as open until filled if they want. Go search UO and PSU jobs, a ton of them are listed as open until filled (PSU actually says, 'open until finalists identified' but same thing). If those schools can post as open until filled, so can OSU. They can only post it as "open until filled" if that status exists in their system. You better raise a huge stink at OSU, because apparently if it does exist it's not commonly used. Yes, I understand how systems work. Its still dumb to not have that option. The other colleges in the state do, every school system in the state does, OSU should probably add it to their system. I am not gonna raise a stink over it but that doesn't mean its not stupid to not have the option. 'Open until filled' is commonly used in the education world.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 10, 2017 13:54:34 GMT -8
OMG guys, it's my understanding (wife works for the state) that the state organization must post, extend the deadline and/or repost the opening until it is filled... Its possible that JS's top targets have not began the application process (must follow the guidelines outlined in the opening); have began the process; have completed the process (not all spots are filled yet)... They can post it as "open until filled" I agree with your second sentence (and again, never claimed anyone turned any job down) but OSU can post jobs as open until filled if they want. Go search UO and PSU jobs, a ton of them are listed as open until filled (PSU actually says, 'open until finalists identified' but same thing). If those schools can post as open until filled, so can OSU. Hey, if you are saying OSU can do what UO does.... UO has openly ignored multiple ongoing rape investigations among basketball players in recent years, including this last year, allowing them to play while under ongoing investigations. The coach and AD has said they were left in the dark about it, but there was just a big article yesterday I read that said FOIA phone records indicate otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:56:34 GMT -8
They can post it as "open until filled" I agree with your second sentence (and again, never claimed anyone turned any job down) but OSU can post jobs as open until filled if they want. Go search UO and PSU jobs, a ton of them are listed as open until filled (PSU actually says, 'open until finalists identified' but same thing). If those schools can post as open until filled, so can OSU. Hey, if you are saying OSU can do what UO does.... UO has openly ignored multiple ongoing rape investigations among basketball players in recent years, including this last year, allowing them to play while under ongoing investigations. The coach and AD has said they were left in the dark about it, but there was just a big article yesterday I read that said FOIA phone records indicate otherwise. Oh jesus. Seriously? Its not just UO, go look at any colleges hiring page and I bet you will find 'open until filled' or something similar. Its common practice, I've looked at several schools in Oregon and out of state (because I am curious), OSU is the only one I have found without such an option.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:59:23 GMT -8
Only on this message board could thinking OSU should consider using a common practice when posting jobs that nearly every other college uses somehow become controversial.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 14:07:32 GMT -8
What I find the most amusing is I never said extending the deadline meant the staff was gonna suck or that JS won’t get his top choices....
For the life of me I can’t figure out why saying it wasn’t ideal is somehow so controversial.
Ideally the staff would be in place ASAP so ideally they wouldn’t have needed to extend any deadlines, not sure what is so controversial about that position
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 10, 2017 14:10:11 GMT -8
Only on this message board could thinking OSU should consider using a common practice when posting jobs that nearly every other college uses somehow become controversial. Only on a message board can we find one individual who is so utterly confused by the extension of a job posting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 14:14:19 GMT -8
Only on this message board could thinking OSU should consider using a common practice when posting jobs that nearly every other college uses somehow become controversial. Only on a message board can we find one individual who is so utterly confused by the extension of a job posting. I am in NO WAY CONFUSED BY IT. Please delete my user name, this boars is stupid. Enjoy trashing me and thinking you are superior; I’m done. You guys win. Stupidest website I’ve ever been on.
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