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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 10:49:38 GMT -8
Don't poke the Riley nerds on this board, they will defend him over the girl that got raped. They love good ol Mikey boy Clearly the girl who was raped was the important one here. The real question is what the coaches knew at the time, and to some extent what the standard reaction of the time was (I hate to say it, because there is no defending rape). Societally, many things are handled differently today than they were a mere twenty years ago. Go back another 20 and it's even moreso. Do we or should we always judge the past solely by today's standards? It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out. When making hiring decisions today, IMO we should judge by today's standards. IMO, if you continue to judge people by past standards you are doomed to repeat those same past mistakes. If a few rich people (like Riley) have to retire from their professions a little earlier than they'd like to prevent repeating those mistakes in the future. That is a small price to pay. And just to be clear, the Brenda Tracy incident isn't the only strike against Riley in my eyes, leaving the program twice is also a strike in my view. Especially when the school gave him a virtual lifetime contract because he said he wanted to be at OSU for the remainder of his career. If I were AD that'd be enough to prevent me from allowing him to be re-hired.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 10, 2017 11:22:45 GMT -8
It's clear that all you need is an accusation and that should be good enough to take action. If that is what you want to believe fine. I honestly don't care. I already said you won. I am ignorant, you are brilliant. You are right, I am wrong. I apologize for ever engaging you (and your vastly stronger intellect and moral standing) in such a debate. I am a fool. Hell, I'll even take the blame from bringing a topic from a locked thread up, its all on me, you are an amazing human, I am scum. You good? Can we get back to talking about assistant coaches now? Geez Louise, get a grip! You sound like a teenage girl.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 11:41:09 GMT -8
If that is what you want to believe fine. I honestly don't care. I already said you won. I am ignorant, you are brilliant. You are right, I am wrong. I apologize for ever engaging you (and your vastly stronger intellect and moral standing) in such a debate. I am a fool. Hell, I'll even take the blame from bringing a topic from a locked thread up, its all on me, you are an amazing human, I am scum. You good? Can we get back to talking about assistant coaches now? Geez Louise, get a grip! You sound like a teenage girl. No, pretty sure I sound like someone who is frustrated that another person decided to bring a topic from a locked thread up only to insult me. That was clearly his only purpose so I am gonna meet him at that level and give him everything he wants. Then after I tried to bring the topic back to assistant coaches multiple times he claimed that I was the one who changed the topic. Now he looks like a big man on the internet. Its exciting for him I am sure. I now understand that my position that rapists shouldn't play OSU football is irrational. I've learned my lesson. I thank him for that new knowledge.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 10, 2017 11:49:25 GMT -8
Geez Louise, get a grip! You sound like a teenage girl. No, pretty sure I sound like someone who is frustrated that another person decided to bring a topic from a locked thread up only to insult me. That was clearly his only purpose so I am gonna meet him at that level and give him everything he wants. Then after I tried to bring the topic back to assistant coaches multiple times he claimed that I was the one who changed the topic. Now he looks like a big man on the internet. Its exciting for him I am sure. I now understand that my position that rapists shouldn't play OSU football is irrational. I've learned my lesson. I thank him for that new knowledge. Rather than throw a hissy fit, call it what it is -- gaslighting. And you bought in to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 11:58:16 GMT -8
No, pretty sure I sound like someone who is frustrated that another person decided to bring a topic from a locked thread up only to insult me. That was clearly his only purpose so I am gonna meet him at that level and give him everything he wants. Then after I tried to bring the topic back to assistant coaches multiple times he claimed that I was the one who changed the topic. Now he looks like a big man on the internet. Its exciting for him I am sure. I now understand that my position that rapists shouldn't play OSU football is irrational. I've learned my lesson. I thank him for that new knowledge. Rather than throw a hissy fit, call it what it is -- gaslighting. And you bought in to it. Nope, I'm gonna give him what he wants. If he is that needy he deserves to get the win. So I will give him one. Now, actual question about extending this deadline. Why doesn't OSU just make it 'open until filled'? Extending the deadline over and over is a bad look no matter the reason.
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 10, 2017 12:00:43 GMT -8
Okay, I am so over this stupid conversation. I am well aware he was suspended. My opinion is such players should have never been allowed to play at OSU again. That is my opinion. Charges or no charges. The evidence of what happened was sufficient to remove them from the team in my opinion. I also already granted my knowledge that Tracy and Riley are friends, I also granted that Riley probably would have handled it differently today. I still would prefer not having someone that handled it the way he did on staff. And I still don't think that is an irrational position. You disagree, great. As I said, I am wrong, you guys are all right. I apologize for bringing this stupid topic back up (I am taking the blame for everything including bringing a locked topic into another thread by stealing another posters screen name and responding to my own post; can we please move on?) Now back to assistants. Don't poke the Riley nerds on this board, they will defend him over the girl that got raped. They love good ol Mikey boy Not sure what movement you’re trying to create, laxative24, but it smells really bad. With no defensible evidence for your hooey that you’re throwing around, we’d just to flush your attitude from this board. It makes no sense that you have such vitriol toward Riley.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 10, 2017 12:04:51 GMT -8
Rather than throw a hissy fit, call it what it is -- gaslighting. And you bought in to it. Nope, I'm gonna give him what he wants. If he is that needy he deserves to get the win. So I will give him one. Now, actual question about extending this deadline. Why doesn't OSU just make it 'open until filled'? Extending the deadline over and over is a bad look no matter the reason. LOL You have to be kidding. Who exactly do you think is even paying attention to that NON-deadline. Good grief it's not a deadline, you said you understood that, but keep demonstrating over and over again you don't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 12:12:14 GMT -8
Nope, I'm gonna give him what he wants. If he is that needy he deserves to get the win. So I will give him one. Now, actual question about extending this deadline. Why doesn't OSU just make it 'open until filled'? Extending the deadline over and over is a bad look no matter the reason. LOL You have to be kidding. Who exactly do you think is even paying attention to that NONE deadline. Good grief. Says the guy talking about the posting on a message board.......... FYI, "open until filled" is a pretty standard way to post a job when you don't have a hard deadline so it makes sense to ask why they don't simply do that instead of constantly changing the date. And, asking why they don't just do the standard thing when its not a deadline does not in anyway demonstrate I don't understand its not a deadline. Sorry, you can't comprehend that I can understand something and yet still think their is a better way to post the job.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 10, 2017 12:14:05 GMT -8
LOL You have to be kidding. Who exactly do you think is even paying attention to that NONE deadline. Good grief. Says the guy talking about the posting on a message board.......... FYI, "open until filled" is a pretty standard way to post a job when you don't have a hard deadline so it makes sense to ask why they don't simply do that instead of constantly changing the date. Who do you think "they" is exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 12:16:21 GMT -8
Says the guy talking about the posting on a message board.......... FYI, "open until filled" is a pretty standard way to post a job when you don't have a hard deadline so it makes sense to ask why they don't simply do that instead of constantly changing the date. Who do you think "they" is exactly. Human Resources at OSU.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 10, 2017 12:20:49 GMT -8
Who do you think "they" is exactly. Human Resources at OSU. You think the entire HR staff at OSU is actively involved in that one job posting?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 12:25:44 GMT -8
You think the entire HR staff at OSU is actively involved in that one job posting? OMG, you claim I am the one that does not understand. No but I don't know who within the HR department makes policy on job postings so since I don't know the persons name I am using the department as a general statement. The person in charge of making the policy (lets call her Janet). IMO when a job does not have a true deadline Janet should make it a policy to simply post the job as "open until filled" instead of having to constantly move the date over and over in order to allow people to still apply. It would save Bill (who I am using as the name of the person that works under Janet and has to update the listing) time to do other work and is thereby a more efficient way to run a department. Again, "open until filled" is pretty standard when no deadline exists. I am surprised OSU doesn't use it. Now that I gave them names does it work?
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 10, 2017 12:43:33 GMT -8
You think the entire HR staff at OSU is actively involved in that one job posting? OMG, you claim I am the one that does not understand. No but I don't know who within the HR department makes policy on job postings so since I don't know the persons name I am using the department as a general statement. The person in charge of making the policy (lets call her Janet). IMO when a job does not have a true deadline Janet should make it a policy to simply post the job as "open until filled" instead of having to constantly move the date over and over in order to allow people to still apply. It would save Bill (who I am using as the name of the person that works under Janet and has to update the listing) time to do other work and is thereby a more efficient way to run a department. Now that I gave them names does it work? Yes, I like the name giving. Good job. So let's backtrack a bit. You've made posts claiming JS's top targets turned him down without having a clue who he's even after. You based that entire conclusion on a NON-deadline date, posted and then subsequently updated by Bill and Janet, who may or may not even know who OSU's past or current football coaches are, and are so backlogged with work, due to an inefficient way of doing things, to take the time to figure out the date they post will have a significant impact upon who our new assistant coaching possibilities are and the consequences the NON-deadline in that posting will have on youngorgst speculative conclusion making and reasoning. See how ridiculous that sounds. When you post things like, JS's top targets must have turned him down, and you don't know what you're talking about, then expect to get grilled and backup your statement. We now know it's all Bill and Janets fault and forgive you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 12:50:41 GMT -8
OMG, you claim I am the one that does not understand. No but I don't know who within the HR department makes policy on job postings so since I don't know the persons name I am using the department as a general statement. The person in charge of making the policy (lets call her Janet). IMO when a job does not have a true deadline Janet should make it a policy to simply post the job as "open until filled" instead of having to constantly move the date over and over in order to allow people to still apply. It would save Bill (who I am using as the name of the person that works under Janet and has to update the listing) time to do other work and is thereby a more efficient way to run a department. Now that I gave them names does it work? Yes, I like the name giving. Good job. So let's backtrack a bit. You've made posts claiming JS's top targets turned him down without having a clue who he's even after. You based that entire conclusion on a NON-deadline date, posted and then subsequently updated by Bill and Janet, who may or may not even know who OSU's past or current football coaches are, and are so backlogged with work, due to an inefficient way of doing things, to take the time to figure out the date they post will have a significant impact upon who our new assistant coaching possibilities are and the consequences the NON-deadline in that posting will have on youngorgst speculative conclusion making and reasoning. See how ridiculous that sounds. When you post things like, JS's top targets must have turned him down, and you don't know what you're talking about, then expect to get grilled and backup your statement. We now know it's all Bill and Janets fault and forgive you. At no point did I say "JS's top targets turned him down" so the rest of this is just nonsense. All I ever claimed was JS's top targets could have applied by the original deadline and that extending the deadline indicates they are still trying to convince someone to apply/aren't happy with everyone that has applied. At no time did I make any claim (much less came to a conclusion) that anyone has turned any job down. I think you need to re-read page one of this thread and actually read what I type, not what you want to believe I am saying. Try again.
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Post by ostate on Dec 10, 2017 13:00:57 GMT -8
Yes, I like the name giving. Good job. So let's backtrack a bit. You've made posts claiming JS's top targets turned him down without having a clue who he's even after. You based that entire conclusion on a NON-deadline date, posted and then subsequently updated by Bill and Janet, who may or may not even know who OSU's past or current football coaches are, and are so backlogged with work, due to an inefficient way of doing things, to take the time to figure out the date they post will have a significant impact upon who our new assistant coaching possibilities are and the consequences the NON-deadline in that posting will have on youngorgst speculative conclusion making and reasoning. See how ridiculous that sounds. When you post things like, JS's top targets must have turned him down, and you don't know what you're talking about, then expect to get grilled and backup your statement. We now know it's all Bill and Janets fault and forgive you. At no point did I say "JS's top targets turned him down" so the rest of this is just nonsense. All I ever claimed was JS's top targets could have applied by the original deadline and that extending the deadline indicates they are still trying to convince someone to apply/aren't happy with everyone that has applied. At no time did I make any claim (much less came to a conclusion) that anyone has turned any job down. And I 100% standby that claim. Try again. OMG guys, it's my understanding (wife works for the state) that the state organization must post, extend the deadline and/or repost the opening until it is filled... Its possible that JS's top targets have not began the application process (must follow the guidelines outlined in the opening); have began the process; have completed the process (not all spots are filled yet)...
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