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Dec 1, 2017 14:16:39 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 1, 2017 14:16:39 GMT -8
So, you do not believe in momentum then? Under Riley, Oregon State would get punched in the face and then tear off 7-8 wins. Unless the team is truly terrible, you learn nothing playing a bottom-feeder. Look at 2008. If Oregon State had not played Penn State, Oregon State would not have been nearly as successful. The game cemented Quizz as the unquestioned starter and positioned Oregon State for a run. The 2006 Boise State game (even though it was not a true body bag game) was another game that positioned Oregon State for a run. If the Beavers had played a lesser opponent, I do not think that Banker would have righted the ship in time to make a run in 2006. This team is truly terrible. I disagree with your belief that you learn nothing playing a bottom-feeder so since I can't even agree with that part of your post and since I can't prove a negative (that they would/could have been just as good if not better without the Penn State game) I really can't comment on the rest of your post. That said, I 100% believe that had they not agree to move the Stanford game to week 1 in 2008 Riley would have gotten a Rose Bowl bid so take that however you want from your momentum argument. I know Erickson didn't need/want these games and he won the conference without them (Had they played some power instead of Eastern Washington in OOC play we probably wouldn't have the Fiesta Bowl title). so like above you can reach your own conclusion on what that means. In my memory, the only time that Oregon State learned anything from a bottom feeder is when Sacramento State beat Oregon State in Reser to start off the 2011 season. Riley promoted Mannion and dumbed down the playbook. That wound up paying dividends in 2012. In 2000, according to Sagarin, the worst team that Oregon State played was San Diego State. If the Beavers had played someone with a pulse instead of the Aztecs and won, Oregon State may have gone to the Orange Bowl to play Oklahoma, instead of the Fiesta Bowl to play Notre Dame. The BCS really punished teams for playing bottom-feeding 1-A teams at the time. The Fiesta Bowl is a great story, but it will always be a missed opportunity, because of the Beavers' cowardly non-conference scheduling at the time.
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Dec 1, 2017 14:24:46 GMT -8
Post by jdogge on Dec 1, 2017 14:24:46 GMT -8
YES! My own philosophy right there. Warning: sports dad/coach thing ahead.. My kid from day one always wanted to wrestle the toughest kid in the room, whether it was practice or a tournament. I can tell you plenty of times it didn't go well. Plenty of times he took a beating. I can also point to plenty of times he dusted himself off and said "that really wasn't too bad, I'm not very far away" and I can tell you EVERY SINGLE TIME it caused him use the loss as a measuring stick and to hit it that much harder at practice the next day. I can also tell you about another kid we had who always picked out someone from our JV team as his practice partners so he'd have an easy afternoon. 4 years go by and he's not much better as a senior than he was as a freshman. I don't want to pick Weber State or Idaho State as our JV practice partner. So maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm squarely in the - take a swing at the champ, take your lumps, see where you stand, use it as a measuring stick camp... Was his first match ever agains the toughest and most experienced kid in the room? If it was, that is poor coaching. Because there is a difference. Having a freshman who has never wrestled wrestle the defending state champ day one probably isn't gonna help his developed. Now, after that freshman has gained some experience, beat a few kids, at that point having him wrestle the defending state champ probably would help his development. Geez Louise, give it a rest. Maybe you should take this private.
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Dec 1, 2017 14:27:01 GMT -8
Post by beavsaregood on Dec 1, 2017 14:27:01 GMT -8
true actually. gotta win the games. anybody you're playing. cream puffs or not.
i guess gotta go to the pat hill motto: anybody, anytime, anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 14:34:54 GMT -8
Hey....I know....let's get excited about the new coach, direction, and upcoming season! If we all agreed that the tOSU game was a horrible idea....or a great idea....what would that accomplish? Please dont think that we as fans alter scheduling with our opinion. We don't....ever.
Sometimes fans just need the whetstone of opposition on which to sharpen their frustration.
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Post by beaverdude on Dec 1, 2017 14:41:12 GMT -8
Oh God not more LSU talk. It's embarrassing that 13 years later Beaver fans still talk about that one time we *almost* beat a good team on the road. Woohoo! I find it MORE embarrassing that Beaver fans in 2017 are afraid to have the team play a football game against a better team.
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Post by jefframp on Dec 1, 2017 14:50:22 GMT -8
Wow...didn't expect that response. I also went to LSU, Michigan......good times. Corvallis fans need to get out and see more of the college football landscape. It's a pretty fun world out there.....and yeah, Beavs get beat down...so be it......what I remember most about my times in Baton Rouge have nothing to do with the football game. Visiting Columbus Ohio ain't exactly on my bucket list. Why not? I hear it is the heroin capital of the US right now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 14:52:07 GMT -8
This team is truly terrible. I disagree with your belief that you learn nothing playing a bottom-feeder so since I can't even agree with that part of your post and since I can't prove a negative (that they would/could have been just as good if not better without the Penn State game) I really can't comment on the rest of your post. That said, I 100% believe that had they not agree to move the Stanford game to week 1 in 2008 Riley would have gotten a Rose Bowl bid so take that however you want from your momentum argument. I know Erickson didn't need/want these games and he won the conference without them (Had they played some power instead of Eastern Washington in OOC play we probably wouldn't have the Fiesta Bowl title). so like above you can reach your own conclusion on what that means. In my memory, the only time that Oregon State learned anything from a bottom feeder is when Sacramento State beat Oregon State in Reser to start off the 2011 season. Riley promoted Mannion and dumbed down the playbook. That wound up paying dividends in 2012. In 2000, according to Sagarin, the worst team that Oregon State played was San Diego State. If the Beavers had played someone with a pulse instead of the Aztecs and won, Oregon State may have gone to the Orange Bowl to play Oklahoma, instead of the Fiesta Bowl to play Notre Dame. The BCS really punished teams for playing bottom-feeding 1-A teams at the time. The Fiesta Bowl is a great story, but it will always be a missed opportunity, because of the Beavers' cowardly non-conference scheduling at the time. They weren't going to the Orange Bowl in 2000 unless they went undefeated. They could have played and beat Oklahoma and the loss to UW would still have meant they Fiesta Bowl.
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Dec 1, 2017 14:53:39 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 14:53:39 GMT -8
Oh God not more LSU talk. It's embarrassing that 13 years later Beaver fans still talk about that one time we *almost* beat a good team on the road. Woohoo! I find it MORE embarrassing that Beaver fans in 2017 are afraid to have the team play a football game against a better team. Even National championship level programs avoid certain opponents/situations. But to each their own.
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Dec 1, 2017 14:54:24 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 14:54:24 GMT -8
Visiting Columbus Ohio ain't exactly on my bucket list. Why not? I hear it is the heroin capital of the US right now. Okay, in that case maybe it is on my bucket list but not till I get terminal cancer
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 1, 2017 15:49:03 GMT -8
Oh God not more LSU talk. It's embarrassing that 13 years later Beaver fans still talk about that one time we *almost* beat a good team on the road. Woohoo! I find it MORE embarrassing that Beaver fans in 2017 are afraid to have the team play a football game against a better team. I view it as a trap game for Ohio State - I am positive we won't be playing with low effort and discomboobulated organization that we saw last Saturday, that's for sure. Right now Ohio State is not going to want to back out of that contract for anything; and they might rue that fact. One has to believe! Go Beavs!
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Post by nabeav on Dec 1, 2017 15:50:05 GMT -8
As I said above, I'd rather it be week 2. Build confidence against SUU, then get right vs. Nevada. Which brings up another problem I have with this game, don't play 2 road OOC games coming off a 1-11 season but I don't need to start another debate so I'll let that go. Us *ever* playing two road OOC games should never happen. I could be wrong on this, but I would guess that, until people start showing up again, we don't make a whole heck of a lot of money on home games....particularly ones played Labor Day weekend. We end up giving thousands of tickets away to soldiers and veterans (not a bad thing), and play a game nobody cares about that we have to shell out a couple hundred thousand bucks to the opponent. We only play two road non-con games in years we have the 5th conference game at home, so I don't think it's putting us at a disadvantage schedule-wise. Also @youngorst did say something I agree wholeheartedly with - under no circumstances should we play a conference game the first week of the season. That should never happen. The goal every year should be to win the North. You can do that losing to Ohio State by sixty and ironing out the kinks later. You have a much tougher time doing that losing by 4 to a conference opponent week one because somebody blew an assignment or ran the wrong route.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 1, 2017 17:45:35 GMT -8
Geez Louise, give it a rest. Maybe you should take this private. Why should he give it a rest? Maybe the others on the thread should give it a rest. Either way, not interested in the topic? Stop clicking on this thread. Look, this is what he does. He did it on Scout too. He argues like a dog with a bone, rarely conceding another's point. Like political wingnuts, he will not be swayed. I'd love not to read the back and forth. But I do want to see others' opinions. When the thread is five pages and half of it is him trying to pound other posters -- who may not agree with him -- into submission, it's difficult to get to those other points of view.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 1, 2017 17:55:02 GMT -8
Why should he give it a rest? Maybe the others on the thread should give it a rest. Either way, not interested in the topic? Stop clicking on this thread. Look, this is what he does. He did it on Scout too. He argues like a dog with a bone, rarely conceding another's point. Like political wingnuts, he will not be swayed. I'd love not to read the back and forth. But I do want to see others' opinions. When the thread is five pages and half of it is him trying to pound other posters -- who may not agree with him -- into submission, it's difficult to get to those other points of view. Dude. Give it a rest, we don't need a hall monitor in addition to the mods that are already monitoring content. I swear, half your posts are just chiming in to tell people to stop talking about something. Go find a crosswalk to patrol for Christ's sake.
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Dec 1, 2017 18:22:48 GMT -8
Post by baseba1111 on Dec 1, 2017 18:22:48 GMT -8
Look, this is what he does. He did it on Scout too. He argues like a dog with a bone, rarely conceding another's point. Like political wingnuts, he will not be swayed. I'd love not to read the back and forth. But I do want to see others' opinions. When the thread is five pages and half of it is him trying to pound other posters -- who may not agree with him -- into submission, it's difficult to get to those other points of view. Dude. Give it a rest, we don't need a hall monitor in addition to the mods that are already monitoring content. I swear, half your posts are just chiming in to tell people to stop talking about something. Go find a crosswalk to patrol for Christ's sake. ROTFLMAO... now that was just funny PS- ever picker to be a Hall Monitor??? It is like the worse thing that can happen... damned if you do damned if you don't "monitor". Was a real power trip for some! Ahhhh good memories
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Dec 1, 2017 18:27:25 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 18:27:25 GMT -8
Dude. Give it a rest, we don't need a hall monitor in addition to the mods that are already monitoring content. I swear, half your posts are just chiming in to tell people to stop talking about something. Go find a crosswalk to patrol for Christ's sake. ROTFLMAO... now that was just funny PS- ever picker to be a Hall Monitor??? It is like the worse thing that can happen... damned if you do damned if you don't "monitor". Was a real power trip for some! Ahhhh good memories You went to a school that had student hall monitors? I thought they were a myth, in all my years as a student and teacher I've never actually been in a school that had them.
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