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Post by beavs6 on Jun 20, 2018 7:32:56 GMT -8
I really don't know what to think. Is OSU the BEST PLACE for MR, until he sees something better...knowing all along that he can get back to Corvallis. This will mark the 3rd time(if he does leave) that he has left OSU. We really look the fools. Especially if he doesn't even stay 1 season.
OR, these could all just be rumors and he could be at OSU for 5-10 more years.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 20, 2018 7:38:01 GMT -8
If it's true, good luck. Not up to me to determine what somebody else thinks is best for them. I didn't ask for MR's opinion when I changed jobs several years ago.
We'll find another assistant, and move on.
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Post by nabeav on Jun 20, 2018 7:38:16 GMT -8
I'm finding it amusing that the people who seem to be angriest at him leaving are the ones that never wanted him in the first place. Never seen so much angst over a tight ends coach leaving for a head coaching gig elsewhere.
Think of the guy as an employee of Dunder Mifflin. You've been a regional manager for most of the last 40 years. Now suddenly you're out of a job for the first time in 15 years. Your former intern, who is now a first time regional manager, needs an assistant. With nothing else on the table, you offer to help him out. You know that branch inside and out, so it'll be an easy transition. Now all of a sudden a brand new paper company comes along and tells you they're opening up a branch in San Antonio, where you wouldn't be Dwight Schrute to anyone's Michael Scott....and you already have a home there.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 20, 2018 7:45:36 GMT -8
I'm finding it amusing that the people who seem to be angriest at him leaving are the ones that never wanted him in the first place. Never seen so much angst over a tight ends coach leaving for a head coaching gig elsewhere. Think of the guy as an employee of Dunder Mifflin. You've been a regional manager for most of the last 40 years. Now suddenly you're out of a job for the first time in 15 years. Your former intern, who is now a first time regional manager, needs an assistant. With nothing else on the table, you offer to help him out. You know that branch inside and out, so it'll be an easy transition. Now all of a sudden a brand new paper company comes along and tells you they're opening up a branch in San Antonio, where you wouldn't be Dwight Schrute to anyone's Michael Scott....and you already have a home there. First of all - I think that any time there's a chance to pull in an Office reference, we all need to go for it. Kudos from an assistant to the regional manager.. I also like that this should put to rest the deep state conspiracy theories that MR was actually acting head coach behind the scenes until they took the training wheels off of JS.
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Post by nabeav on Jun 20, 2018 7:47:35 GMT -8
Remember when Brent Brennan and Kalani Sitake and Ilaisa Tuiaki and Danny Langsdorf and Keith Hayward and Reggie Davis and a million other coaches "bailed" on OSU players for opportunities elsewhere? There are people all over this message board who have threatened (or maybe have) stopped supporting the football team financially because they didn't like the kickoff times or because they didn't win enough games or because they didn't like the current football coach or because the president decided that undocumented kids could go to school here or male and female students could live in the same dorms or they required kids to get a meningococcal vaccine or whatever.
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2018 7:59:37 GMT -8
I, for one, don't really care, except that it makes OSU look super desperate--to hire back a coach who was only using them as a layover until he could find something better.
But I am seriously surprised that San Antonio, Texas wants a coach who failed miserably at Nebraska. Lot of other people would be on my list before MR.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 20, 2018 8:00:01 GMT -8
Remember when Brent Brennan and Kalani Sitake and Ilaisa Tuiaki and Danny Langsdorf and Keith Hayward and Reggie Davis and a million other coaches "bailed" on OSU players for opportunities elsewhere? There are people all over this message board who have threatened (or maybe have) stopped supporting the football team financially because they didn't like the kickoff times or because they didn't win enough games or because they didn't like the current football coach or because the president decided that undocumented kids could go to school here or male and female students could live in the same dorms or they required kids to get a meningococcal vaccine or whatever. I am not sure of many things in life. but one thing I am certain of is that people are the worst. the absolute worst.
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Post by nabeav on Jun 20, 2018 8:14:12 GMT -8
I, for one, don't really care, except that it makes OSU look super desperate--to hire back a coach who was only using them as a layover until he could find something better. But I am seriously surprised that San Antonio, Texas wants a coach who failed miserably at Nebraska. Lot of other people would be on my list before MR. This is what all coaches do. ALL of them. The only thing different about this is the timing, in which he is now taking a position that didn't even exist when he accepted a role at Oregon State. Justin Wilcox went from Boise to Tennessee to Washington to USC to Wisconsin to Cal in less than a decade Mike McIntyre was only at SJSU for three seasons before jumping to Colorado Dennis Erickson Went from Idaho to Wyoming to Washington State to Miami in less than a decade, then used Idaho again for a year before going to Arizona State. When I got out of college, I worked three jobs in less than a year before finding one that really fit.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 20, 2018 8:34:50 GMT -8
I, for one, don't really care, except that it makes OSU look super desperate--to hire back a coach who was only using them as a layover until he could find something better. But I am seriously surprised that San Antonio, Texas wants a coach who failed miserably at Nebraska. Lot of other people would be on my list before MR. I don't see it that way at all. Riley basically is volunteering with us. He didn't like any other offers he had at the time, it worked out to come back here, and he gave CJS a cut rate deal to do it. $50K a year? in the college football world that means he is basically working for free. No desperation there, even a little bit. Guys... look at it objectively. Our lowest paid TE coach might be leaving to go be a head coach in a small start up pro league. We are worried about the PR on THAT? come on. Listen, personally, I don't like it. I don't like it because of recruiting. Like it or not, Riley was here for 14 odd years, and has a huge amount of connections on the west coast, in California, with Hawaii and in a lot of places we have traditionally done very well in getting kids from. I also believe a lot of our hope in landing Johnson Jr. might of been tied to the Riley connection. But, truth is, he was the TE coach. he is a mentor, but he is NOT the head coach, no matter how hard people keep trying to make him out to be. He was NOT the shadow head coach either. He is not the OC, and if spring is any indication it is clear he is not the one calling the offensive shots. It is not his offense, it is not his program any longer. I think losing him is losing a wealth of knowledge and it sucks. But I think losing him, pragmatically speaking, is losing a TE coach at the end of the day. People needs to actually look at this for what it is, and stop the nonsensical projecting.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 20, 2018 8:53:30 GMT -8
I, for one, don't really care, except that it makes OSU look super desperate--to hire back a coach who was only using them as a layover until he could find something better. But I am seriously surprised that San Antonio, Texas wants a coach who failed miserably at Nebraska. Lot of other people would be on my list before MR. I don't see it that way at all. Riley basically is volunteering with us. He didn't like any other offers he had at the time, it worked out to come back here, and he gave CJS a cut rate deal to do it. $50K a year? in the college football world that means he is basically working for free. No desperation there, even a little bit. Guys... look at it objectively. Our lowest paid TE coach might be leaving to go be a head coach in a small start up pro league. We are worried about the PR on THAT? come on. Listen, personally, I don't like it. I don't like it because of recruiting. Like it or not, Riley was here for 14 odd years, and has a huge amount of connections on the west coast, in California, with Hawaii and in a lot of places we have traditionally done very well in getting kids from. I also believe a lot of our hope in landing Johnson Jr. might of been tied to the Riley connection. But, truth is, he was the TE coach. he is a mentor, but he is NOT the head coach, no matter how hard people keep trying to make him out to be. He was NOT the shadow head coach either. He is not the OC, and if spring is any indication it is clear he is not the one calling the offensive shots. It is not his offense, it is not his program any longer. I think losing him is losing a wealth of knowledge and it sucks. But I think losing him, pragmatically speaking, is losing a TE coach at the end of the day. People needs to actually look at this for what it is, and stop the nonsensical projecting. And... his connection to OSU, mentoring/being the wall to bounce ideas/off season pow wows, helping steer recruits, etc won't end if he's in San Antonio. Any negativity on this topic are by the same type of cave dwellers who popped up earlier in the CWS. Have zip to say until they can pop off with their uneducated nonsense. They hope for the turmoil only they themselves see. Not BEAVER fans, band wagon. Typical idiots, hated MR came back even though purely wanted by the new HC. And, not bitch and make s%#t up about MR leaving. Finding something to bitch about in nearly every situation... that's their lovely lot In life. In this case, they can only dream of being a speck of the man and career MR has had.
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Post by rockybeav on Jun 20, 2018 8:55:14 GMT -8
I, for one, don't really care, except that it makes OSU look super desperate--to hire back a coach who was only using them as a layover until he could find something better. But I am seriously surprised that San Antonio, Texas wants a coach who failed miserably at Nebraska. Lot of other people would be on my list before MR. I don't see it that way at all. Riley basically is volunteering with us. He didn't like any other offers he had at the time, it worked out to come back here, and he gave CJS a cut rate deal to do it. $50K a year? in the college football world that means he is basically working for free. No desperation there, even a little bit. Guys... look at it objectively. Our lowest paid TE coach might be leaving to go be a head coach in a small start up pro league. We are worried about the PR on THAT? come on. Listen, personally, I don't like it. I don't like it because of recruiting. Like it or not, Riley was here for 14 odd years, and has a huge amount of connections on the west coast, in California, with Hawaii and in a lot of places we have traditionally done very well in getting kids from. I also believe a lot of our hope in landing Johnson Jr. might of been tied to the Riley connection. But, truth is, he was the TE coach. he is a mentor, but he is NOT the head coach, no matter how hard people keep trying to make him out to be. He was NOT the shadow head coach either. He is not the OC, and if spring is any indication it is clear he is not the one calling the offensive shots. It is not his offense, it is not his program any longer. I think losing him is losing a wealth of knowledge and it sucks. But I think losing him, pragmatically speaking, is losing a TE coach at the end of the day. People needs to actually look at this for what it is, and stop the nonsensical projecting. I agree with most of your sentiments, but I politely disagree with your concerns about his impacts on recruiting. Riley has excellent connections, and I am sure he completed a successful “hand off” to CJS in terms of his contacts/coaches at the prep ranks. If you read the interviews of our verbal commitments (to include our recent TE recruit, Musgrave) none of them mentioned Riley as the one they built a bond with specifically. Perhaps this San Antonio gig was in the works for a while and it was designed this way, but other staff members are building the relationships. The only recruit this may affect is the QB Michael Johnson Jr., but I would assume he is a long shot anyways. I think some on this board are having an emotional reaction at being “rejected” by him for a third time. Other than the financial implications of having a low-paid position coach, I have no concerns at all. Barnes better pony up more money to fill the void.
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Post by Mike84 on Jun 20, 2018 8:55:47 GMT -8
I've only glanced through the thread, so I apologize if all of this has already been covered or is beating a dead horse (although that is pretty much what we do around here anyway):
-- If this rumor is true, it makes complete sense. The Rileys have a home they absolutely love along the Guadalupe River, halfway between San Antonio and Austin. It has been clear for years that this is where they are going to retire. There's no "poor Dee" (as I saw in one post) in this decision. Both of them love their home there.
-- Riley was being paid a fraction of market value and it has been clearly stated from Day 1 of his latest return to OSU that he was there mostly as a consultant. JS wanted people around him who could help him navigate the details of being a head coach. If he's getting it figured out, this need is decreasing. If Mike Riley has an opportunity to be a head coach again and to go to his home in Texas, there's no down side for anyone involved.
-- It's insane how much angst I'm seeing in some posts about this. If he does leave, it's an assistant coach leaving to be a head coach. That's what happens. It does not make OSU look bad or desperate or incompetent.
-- It's nice that this would give the Angry Beaver folks yet another reason to hate Riley. Ironically, their list would include hating him both for coming back again and for leaving again. It's kind of like the "any excuse to party" thing. "Any excuse to hate Mike Riley...". LOL.
-- If this happens, I'm happy for all involved. Happy for Riley to get a chance to be HC again and already be in his retirement home. Happy for JS that he got to benefit from Riley's experience but can now forever put behind him the stupid questions about Riley's "real" role on this staff. Happy for those who have somehow summoned up huge amounts of righteous indignation over this, since I'm sure they were looking for something to be righteously indignant about. And happy for the rest of us because we understand that having an assistant coach get a head coaching job actually reflects WELL on a school, not poorly.
Go Beavs! Mike '84
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Post by irimi on Jun 20, 2018 9:03:13 GMT -8
I, for one, don't really care, except that it makes OSU look super desperate--to hire back a coach who was only using them as a layover until he could find something better. He was a $50,004/yr. assistant. Which is about 1/3 to 1/4 the going rate for assistants. There's nothing whatsoever super desperate looking about that.
If this particular job didn't come to fruition he wasn't off to elsewhere this coming season.
You're right; but I'm not sure that the sporting world is so intelligent. After all, look at the whole Luke thing. The sporting world loves headlines.
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 20, 2018 9:18:30 GMT -8
I really don't know what to think. Is OSU the BEST PLACE for MR, until he sees something better...knowing all along that he can get back to Corvallis. This will mark the 3rd time(if he does leave) that he has left OSU. We really look the fools. Especially if he doesn't even stay 1 season. Because he bailed on a $50,004/year asst. coaching gig to go be a head coach in the city where he's planned on retiring to since over 20 years ago? I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you not think it makes OSU look foolish...small...to have hired him back a third time? For him to up and leave in 4 months or so? The $50k is nominal and not really relevant. He needs to make more in SA(which he might) than he was paid at NE to net more pay for this year. Unless he gets to double-dip because the comp from this "new" league somehow does not offset the compensation from NE. If that is the case, this is brilliant on his part.
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Post by beaverdude on Jun 20, 2018 9:46:09 GMT -8
I heard a rumor that the waterboy may be leaving to play linebacker at the Southwest School for the Uncoordinated....
If MR leaves, he leaves and we move on.
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