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Post by nabeav on Jun 20, 2018 9:53:17 GMT -8
"Foolish team hires 10th winningest coach in conference history with wealth of institutional knowledge to coach tight ends for lowest reported assistant coach salary in the country. News at 11."
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EOBeav
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Post by EOBeav on Jun 20, 2018 10:25:32 GMT -8
Yeah, it's time for the hand wringing to stop. We lost our TE coach and a really good evaluator of talent. It smarts a little, but this isn't anything that CJSmith won't be able to handle. He's probably already got somebody picked out to take Riley's place. In a few months, we won't even be talking about this and will be looking forward to the season ahead. Personally, I think Riley is an idiot for doing this, but that's irrelevant. This is ok. We're ok. We're building the dam. Go Beavs.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 20, 2018 10:43:36 GMT -8
Because he bailed on a $50,004/year asst. coaching gig to go be a head coach in the city where he's planned on retiring to since over 20 years ago? I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you not think it makes OSU look foolish...small...to have hired him back a third time? For him to up and leave in 4 months or so? The $50k is nominal and not really relevant. He needs to make more in SA(which he might) than he was paid at NE to net more pay for this year. Unless he gets to double-dip because the comp from this "new" league somehow does not offset the compensation from NE. If that is the case, this is brilliant on his part. I think nobody does. Maybe YOU should tell us why hiring a long term veteran coach at hundreds of thousands of dollars below market value, as a low ranking position coach makes us look both foolish or small. If you heard a college program brought a 20+ year experienced head coach on as a position coach, not even an coordinator, your instinct is to think that makes the program look foolish or small? and then when that woefully underpaid, very experienced position coach got a new offer and he moved on, that program is a bunch of idiots for having that guy on board for spring practice, which was 95% dedicated to teaching fundamentals? Lastly, maybe you should tell us why $50K doesn't matter? I think it entirely matters. It would be a pretty big deal if we signed him up for a $750K a year spot. Riley is making what a graduate assistant makes. I am dead serious. Mike Riley is making about the same amount of money we pay graduate assistants. Less, if you consider most GA jobs ALSO come with tuition remission, and graduate tuition costs a lot. Riley is making over $160,000 PER MONTH from Nebraska. Anything he does isn't about the money and never will be. Coming here wasn't about the money, which is why the $50K really, actually does matter. It puts the entire thing into context. Riley was bored, wanted to do something, didn't have other offers and came over to help his old QB out. They made a position for him. There is no universe, anywhere in all the infinite multiverses, that what we did make OSU looks foolish or small. If we had said no to an offer from Riley to come out and help out for $50K a year... hell even for a month, I would say OSU was dumb as rocks.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 20, 2018 10:51:01 GMT -8
"Foolish team hires 10th winningest coach in conference history with wealth of institutional knowledge to coach tight ends for lowest reported assistant coach salary in the country. News at 11." Not to mention those with all the angst and hate for MR are in concert shamefully dissing on the new HC hire they liked... since MR was his choice, stated clearly several times, to come aboard. Of course that would require such haters to have any type of logical thinking skills to make that type of connection... which we know they don't. The nice thing about such BS/negative neophytes is that they tell so many stories/bitch about so many things they literally can't keep track of their numerous contradictions...
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 20, 2018 11:02:28 GMT -8
I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you not think it makes OSU look foolish...small...to have hired him back a third time? For him to up and leave in 4 months or so? The $50k is nominal and not really relevant. He needs to make more in SA(which he might) than he was paid at NE to net more pay for this year. Unless he gets to double-dip because the comp from this "new" league somehow does not offset the compensation from NE. If that is the case, this is brilliant on his part. I think nobody does. Maybe YOU should tell us why hiring a long term veteran coach at hundreds of thousands of dollars below market value, as a low ranking position coach makes us look both foolish or small. If you heard a college program brought a 20+ year experienced head coach on as a position coach, not even an coordinator, your instinct is to think that makes the program look foolish or small? and then when that woefully underpaid, very experienced position coach got a new offer and he moved on, that program is a bunch of idiots for having that guy on board for spring practice, which was 95% dedicated to teaching fundamentals? Lastly, maybe you should tell us why $50K doesn't matter? I think it entirely matters. It would be a pretty big deal if we signed him up for a $750K a year spot. Riley is making what a graduate assistant makes. I am dead serious. Mike Riley is making about the same amount of money we pay graduate assistants. Less, if you consider most GA jobs ALSO come with tuition remission, and graduate tuition costs a lot. Riley is making over $160,000 PER MONTH from Nebraska. Anything he does isn't about the money and never will be. Coming here wasn't about the money, which is why the $50K really, actually does matter. It puts the entire thing into context. Riley was bored, wanted to do something, didn't have other offers and came over to help his old QB out. They made a position for him. There is no universe, anywhere in all the infinite multiverses, that what we did make OSU looks foolish or small. If we had said no to an offer from Riley to come out and help out for $50K a year... hell even for a month, I would say OSU was dumb as rocks. JHC...I began with "I don't know what to think" I explained the $50k is nominal, thanks for agreeing that "$160,000 PER MONTH from Nebraska. Anything he does isn't about the money and never will be." He probably would have taken the position for nothing, if he could have legally. I just want to DISCUSS something. Can't seem to be done on this board, or at least in regards to MR. Everybody seems to have their panties in a wad regarding MR one way or another. If someone wants to discuss and discourse...If ya ain't wit me, ya must be agin me...seems to be how both sides of MR want to act. Is there not some base level to have discussion? I forget, this is the anonymous message board/internet that having rational discussion is frowned upon. Maybe JS knew this was in the works. Like I mentioned, maybe the San Antonio $ will not offset the NE. The one thing that does rub me wrong, at least, is bringing the same guy back over...and over...? How many potential times. To hear how great it is to be back in Corvallis again and how lucky he is for it to be possible. And then leave after 4 months. Does that make me a "bad" OSU fan? Not worthy of following the Beavers?
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 20, 2018 11:04:27 GMT -8
I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you not think it makes OSU look foolish...small...to have hired him back a third time? For him to up and leave in 4 months or so? You say "hired him back a third time" like he's the HC. He's an underpaid assistant.
No. It doesn't make OSU look like anything except in need of another assistant coach.
We did hire him for a third time...did we not? I never said anything about it being as HC. That is your own projection.
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Post by jdogge on Jun 20, 2018 11:05:03 GMT -8
I don't see it that way at all. Riley basically is volunteering with us. He didn't like any other offers he had at the time, it worked out to come back here, and he gave CJS a cut rate deal to do it. $50K a year? in the college football world that means he is basically working for free. No desperation there, even a little bit. Guys... look at it objectively. Our lowest paid TE coach might be leaving to go be a head coach in a small start up pro league. We are worried about the PR on THAT? come on. Listen, personally, I don't like it. I don't like it because of recruiting. Like it or not, Riley was here for 14 odd years, and has a huge amount of connections on the west coast, in California, with Hawaii and in a lot of places we have traditionally done very well in getting kids from. I also believe a lot of our hope in landing Johnson Jr. might of been tied to the Riley connection. But, truth is, he was the TE coach. he is a mentor, but he is NOT the head coach, no matter how hard people keep trying to make him out to be. He was NOT the shadow head coach either. He is not the OC, and if spring is any indication it is clear he is not the one calling the offensive shots. It is not his offense, it is not his program any longer. I think losing him is losing a wealth of knowledge and it sucks. But I think losing him, pragmatically speaking, is losing a TE coach at the end of the day. People needs to actually look at this for what it is, and stop the nonsensical projecting. And... his connection to OSU, mentoring/being the wall to bounce ideas/off season pow wows, helping steer recruits, etc won't end if he's in San Antonio. Any negativity on this topic are by the same type of cave dwellers who popped up earlier in the CWS. Have zip to say until they can pop off with their uneducated nonsense. They hope for the turmoil only they themselves see. Not BEAVER fans, band wagon. Typical idiots, hated MR came back even though purely wanted by the new HC. And, not bitch and make s%#t up about MR leaving. Finding something to bitch about in nearly every situation... that's their lovely lot In life. In this case, they can only dream of being a speck of the man and career MR has had. Ok, how do you really feel?
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 20, 2018 11:38:07 GMT -8
The one thing that does rub me wrong, at least, is bringing the same guy back over...and over...? How many potential times. To hear how great it is to be back in Corvallis again and how lucky he is for it to be possible. And then leave after 4 months. Does that make me a "bad" OSU fan? Not worthy of following the Beavers? Why do you conflate being a repeat HC hire (with the 2nd HC hiring being FIFTEEN YEARS ago) with being a current assistant? There's zero relevance. All of this...and he is still here(I believe as I type) How can you not count all 3 hires? "There's zero relevance." Guess we disagree. I think there is some relevance, not zero. He was an OSU employee that has left (if he leaves) now a third time. While professing publicly how great OSU is upon his return. At what point is that hogwash? This isn't a hire that is in the back offices...it is very public. How often do you bring back someone that has chosen to leave for "greener pastures" to ultimately leave again. Here is a question. He left OSU and was fired by SD. He left OSU again and was fired by NE. If he leaves OSU again and is fired by SA...do you bring him back again? There are a couple of patterns there. OSU chooses to hire him. He chooses to leave.(quit for another "better" job) Where he goes FIRES him.(for whatever reason, but FIRES him. Feeling strongly enough about the decision to continue to pay him and get nothing in return for his services) OSU chooses to bring him back. Rinse...repeat.(Say that over and over in your mind. Do you not find anything a little "off" about that?) For those of you that want to HATE. I like MR. I've had the pleasure of being able to have multiple conversations with him over the years...while he was employed by different institutions.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 20, 2018 11:48:28 GMT -8
Mike Riley arguably improved the OSU football programs longterm outlook both times he was HC here, and as an adviser working behind the scenes in this transition I bet it's quite possible he's helped improve the team during this staff transition.
If this team needs help in a few years, I'd hire him a 4th time. Talent of his caliber doesn't grow on trees.
As far as Nebraska goes, there were a lot of pro-Riley boosters very unhappy with their AD over the handling of Riley. They were defensively a mid-level team under the previous coach and Riley/Banker had them at #19 in total defense in just 2 years... then the AD forced Riley to can Banker and bring is his hand picked guy for DC, and Nebraska dropped to #98 immediately and the program tanked. Not Riley's fault. Anyone in the football or management world who believes managers shouldn't be micro-managed by someone who really can't do the job themselves probably is inclined to agree.
In no way does OSU look bad for hiring a man of Riley's experience and talents. I'd bet if he has a good year in San Antonio (assuming it happens) his agent will get a lot of inquiries as to his availability of HC positions.
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Post by osulax24 on Jun 20, 2018 11:50:30 GMT -8
I'm sure he is a good if not great dude, but he is a QUITTER..... What a wuss
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Post by albanianbeav on Jun 20, 2018 11:54:37 GMT -8
He wants to be a HC. We want him here as an assistant. Of course he takes a HC job. If that does not work out for him again, I would favor bringing him back, as an assistant. Never again as a HC.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 20, 2018 11:56:40 GMT -8
I'm sure he is a good if not great dude, but he is a QUITTER..... What a wuss Having enough success to become attractive to better opportunities does not make you a quitter. We had a bonafide quitter here recently. Do not mix them up.
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Post by nabeav on Jun 20, 2018 12:21:28 GMT -8
MIKE RILEY FIRST EMPLOYMENT: In his second season (1998) the Beavers win five games for the first time since 1971. MIKE RILEY SECOND EMPLOYMENT: Oregon State goes to six bowl games in his first seven seasons (wins five of them). Oregon State enjoys more 9-win seasons (4) than under all other coaches in school history combined. MIKE RILEY THIRD EMPLOYMENT: OSU currently ranked 4th in Pac-12 in 2019 recruiting rankings.
TELL ME AGAIN WHY YOU WOULDN'T CONSIDER HIRING THIS MAN AGAIN (and again. And again)?
Cleveland never should've rehired LeBron. Makes them look desperate. Washington never should've rehired Joe Gibbs. He walked out on them once.
(The recruiting thing is a total joke. Just wanted to see some people's heads explode before they got to this last sentence.)
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Post by calder on Jun 20, 2018 12:56:33 GMT -8
[Shrug]
There is every possibility that he stays here until the end of this season.
After all the new league doesn't even start until February. He could coach out this season and help with recruiting until the season likely ends in November. (And if we are still playing after November were are doing so well we can easily weather his loss.) The new league likely doesn't need much from him until the games are closer anyways. I don't image they will have much for the coaches to do until about November in the first place.
As others have said we are losing our TEs coach for a head coaching job. This is hardly the end of the world. Is Normal as Anderson Silva would say.
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Post by osulax24 on Jun 20, 2018 13:56:29 GMT -8
I'm sure he is a good if not great dude, but he is a QUITTER..... What a wuss Having enough success to become attractive to better opportunities does not make you a quitter. We had a bonafide quitter here recently. Do not mix them up. She'll love me tomorrow I guess... Haha
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